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catboogie
04-21-2007, 03:00 PM
hey everyone,

i wanted to share some reflection i've had on the vest recently. i was recently on vacation for 10 days and did not take my vest. instead, i did 15 min. of albuterol/hypertonic saline (HS) and then about 15 minutes of flutter. (usually i do 30 min of the vest along with my albuterol and hypertonic.)

i was a little wary of my decision to not take my vest on vacation--there were many practical and logistical concerns that i had for not taking it--since i'd been using it so religiously the last 6 months or so. but then i reminded myself that i went years using my flutter as the only form of airway clearance and it worked well.

what surprised me on vacation was that i felt like i was able to get more stuff up when doing my HS by itself, and not doing it with my vest. then when i did the flutter, i was getting even more stuff up when i'd already gotten a lot up.

anyway, the "vacation" from the vest was a success. i felt great the whole time and we did a lot of good hikes that would have been tough for me had i not been feeling great. i was also glad that future vacations might not have to be hindered by me taking my vest with me. (please note, i wouldn't NOT take my vest just because it was a hassle.)

this experience has opened up my therapy options to me--which is good, because once i got the vest and was using it everyday, i felt like i would always have to use it every day. now i know that is not true--there are other things that work and are not necessarily inferior. i think other people might be having that experinece too, where they feel the vest is the end-all of clearance devices (it's good, don't get me wrong) and so they think there is no other option for them anymore.

my two cents--

catboogie
04-21-2007, 03:00 PM
hey everyone,

i wanted to share some reflection i've had on the vest recently. i was recently on vacation for 10 days and did not take my vest. instead, i did 15 min. of albuterol/hypertonic saline (HS) and then about 15 minutes of flutter. (usually i do 30 min of the vest along with my albuterol and hypertonic.)

i was a little wary of my decision to not take my vest on vacation--there were many practical and logistical concerns that i had for not taking it--since i'd been using it so religiously the last 6 months or so. but then i reminded myself that i went years using my flutter as the only form of airway clearance and it worked well.

what surprised me on vacation was that i felt like i was able to get more stuff up when doing my HS by itself, and not doing it with my vest. then when i did the flutter, i was getting even more stuff up when i'd already gotten a lot up.

anyway, the "vacation" from the vest was a success. i felt great the whole time and we did a lot of good hikes that would have been tough for me had i not been feeling great. i was also glad that future vacations might not have to be hindered by me taking my vest with me. (please note, i wouldn't NOT take my vest just because it was a hassle.)

this experience has opened up my therapy options to me--which is good, because once i got the vest and was using it everyday, i felt like i would always have to use it every day. now i know that is not true--there are other things that work and are not necessarily inferior. i think other people might be having that experinece too, where they feel the vest is the end-all of clearance devices (it's good, don't get me wrong) and so they think there is no other option for them anymore.

my two cents--

catboogie
04-21-2007, 03:00 PM
hey everyone,

i wanted to share some reflection i've had on the vest recently. i was recently on vacation for 10 days and did not take my vest. instead, i did 15 min. of albuterol/hypertonic saline (HS) and then about 15 minutes of flutter. (usually i do 30 min of the vest along with my albuterol and hypertonic.)

i was a little wary of my decision to not take my vest on vacation--there were many practical and logistical concerns that i had for not taking it--since i'd been using it so religiously the last 6 months or so. but then i reminded myself that i went years using my flutter as the only form of airway clearance and it worked well.

what surprised me on vacation was that i felt like i was able to get more stuff up when doing my HS by itself, and not doing it with my vest. then when i did the flutter, i was getting even more stuff up when i'd already gotten a lot up.

anyway, the "vacation" from the vest was a success. i felt great the whole time and we did a lot of good hikes that would have been tough for me had i not been feeling great. i was also glad that future vacations might not have to be hindered by me taking my vest with me. (please note, i wouldn't NOT take my vest just because it was a hassle.)

this experience has opened up my therapy options to me--which is good, because once i got the vest and was using it everyday, i felt like i would always have to use it every day. now i know that is not true--there are other things that work and are not necessarily inferior. i think other people might be having that experinece too, where they feel the vest is the end-all of clearance devices (it's good, don't get me wrong) and so they think there is no other option for them anymore.

my two cents--

JazzysMom
04-21-2007, 03:05 PM
I understand what you mean Laura. There are days depending on how my body "feels" that depends on if the vest is worthwhile doing. Some days I can just tell when NOT doing the vest will be helpful. I know its "odd", but like everything else I think there are so many variables on any given day that we have to weigh things each day.

JazzysMom
04-21-2007, 03:05 PM
I understand what you mean Laura. There are days depending on how my body "feels" that depends on if the vest is worthwhile doing. Some days I can just tell when NOT doing the vest will be helpful. I know its "odd", but like everything else I think there are so many variables on any given day that we have to weigh things each day.

JazzysMom
04-21-2007, 03:05 PM
I understand what you mean Laura. There are days depending on how my body "feels" that depends on if the vest is worthwhile doing. Some days I can just tell when NOT doing the vest will be helpful. I know its "odd", but like everything else I think there are so many variables on any given day that we have to weigh things each day.

CowTown
04-21-2007, 06:37 PM
Typically I feel like a new person after using the vest and doing my treatment. If I go without using the vest and just do the meds, then a few days later get back to doing the vest with the meds - I'm a new and improved person.

Glad though that your vacation from the vest worked out for you. That would have sucked for you, if you ended up really needing it. And what a nice trip it seemed to be. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> Good times.

CowTown
04-21-2007, 06:37 PM
Typically I feel like a new person after using the vest and doing my treatment. If I go without using the vest and just do the meds, then a few days later get back to doing the vest with the meds - I'm a new and improved person.

Glad though that your vacation from the vest worked out for you. That would have sucked for you, if you ended up really needing it. And what a nice trip it seemed to be. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> Good times.

CowTown
04-21-2007, 06:37 PM
Typically I feel like a new person after using the vest and doing my treatment. If I go without using the vest and just do the meds, then a few days later get back to doing the vest with the meds - I'm a new and improved person.

Glad though that your vacation from the vest worked out for you. That would have sucked for you, if you ended up really needing it. And what a nice trip it seemed to be. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> Good times.

NoExcuses
04-21-2007, 06:46 PM
I am willing to bet large amounts of money that if you put your vest to the wayside for a good period of time, say, 6 months, your feeling about the Vest might be different.

NoExcuses
04-21-2007, 06:46 PM
I am willing to bet large amounts of money that if you put your vest to the wayside for a good period of time, say, 6 months, your feeling about the Vest might be different.

NoExcuses
04-21-2007, 06:46 PM
I am willing to bet large amounts of money that if you put your vest to the wayside for a good period of time, say, 6 months, your feeling about the Vest might be different.

JazzysMom
04-21-2007, 06:50 PM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>

I am willing to bet large amounts of money that if you put your vest to the wayside for a good period of time, say, 6 months, your feeling about the Vest might be different.</end quote></div>

I, for one, wasnt referring to this amount of time. I am talking here & there depending on your health status.

JazzysMom
04-21-2007, 06:50 PM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>

I am willing to bet large amounts of money that if you put your vest to the wayside for a good period of time, say, 6 months, your feeling about the Vest might be different.</end quote></div>

I, for one, wasnt referring to this amount of time. I am talking here & there depending on your health status.

JazzysMom
04-21-2007, 06:50 PM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>

I am willing to bet large amounts of money that if you put your vest to the wayside for a good period of time, say, 6 months, your feeling about the Vest might be different.</end quote></div>

I, for one, wasnt referring to this amount of time. I am talking here & there depending on your health status.

NoExcuses
04-21-2007, 06:52 PM
I didn't even read what you posted before I posted, Mel. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

I was only referring to what she said. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

NoExcuses
04-21-2007, 06:52 PM
I didn't even read what you posted before I posted, Mel. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

I was only referring to what she said. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

NoExcuses
04-21-2007, 06:52 PM
I didn't even read what you posted before I posted, Mel. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

I was only referring to what she said. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

Lilith
04-21-2007, 06:57 PM
I for one never thought the Vest did much at all. All it ever did for me was bounce me around like I was on a trampoline and hurt the crap out of my port. I gave it up soon after and went back to good-old-fashioned manual CPT and the acapella. I started getting up much more mucus than I had with the Vest, so your findings don't really surprise me. I'm glad your experiment was successful, though!

Lilith
04-21-2007, 06:57 PM
I for one never thought the Vest did much at all. All it ever did for me was bounce me around like I was on a trampoline and hurt the crap out of my port. I gave it up soon after and went back to good-old-fashioned manual CPT and the acapella. I started getting up much more mucus than I had with the Vest, so your findings don't really surprise me. I'm glad your experiment was successful, though!

Lilith
04-21-2007, 06:57 PM
I for one never thought the Vest did much at all. All it ever did for me was bounce me around like I was on a trampoline and hurt the crap out of my port. I gave it up soon after and went back to good-old-fashioned manual CPT and the acapella. I started getting up much more mucus than I had with the Vest, so your findings don't really surprise me. I'm glad your experiment was successful, though!

sue35
04-21-2007, 07:34 PM
I just got the vest and have been using it once a day and then the acapella once a day. My doctor reccommended it that way to switch it up a bit. Not everyone responds to the vest and also, I didn't have the time to do it in the morning. I love the vest but also really like the acapella so it works for me to do them both

sue35
04-21-2007, 07:34 PM
I just got the vest and have been using it once a day and then the acapella once a day. My doctor reccommended it that way to switch it up a bit. Not everyone responds to the vest and also, I didn't have the time to do it in the morning. I love the vest but also really like the acapella so it works for me to do them both

sue35
04-21-2007, 07:34 PM
I just got the vest and have been using it once a day and then the acapella once a day. My doctor reccommended it that way to switch it up a bit. Not everyone responds to the vest and also, I didn't have the time to do it in the morning. I love the vest but also really like the acapella so it works for me to do them both

Sakem
04-22-2007, 01:17 AM
After 2 yrs of religious use of vest 2xs a day and FEVs slowly decreasing, I gave it up this spring and started doing HS and running 30 mins every morning and doing aucepella in the evening and my FEVs have jumped up amazingly.....vest was not doing anything for me

Sakem
04-22-2007, 01:17 AM
After 2 yrs of religious use of vest 2xs a day and FEVs slowly decreasing, I gave it up this spring and started doing HS and running 30 mins every morning and doing aucepella in the evening and my FEVs have jumped up amazingly.....vest was not doing anything for me

Sakem
04-22-2007, 01:17 AM
After 2 yrs of religious use of vest 2xs a day and FEVs slowly decreasing, I gave it up this spring and started doing HS and running 30 mins every morning and doing aucepella in the evening and my FEVs have jumped up amazingly.....vest was not doing anything for me

littledebbie
04-22-2007, 05:10 AM
I honestly think that the best form of CPT is which ever one you will be most likely to do the most and with a concious effort to clear out your lungs while doing it. For me I thought the vest felt like some form of annoyance torture and since it took no participation on my part I just sort of zoned and payed not a wit to my bretahing or coughing or lack of coughing...mostly I just wanted it to be over. And it irritated my port as well and was impossoble to do while accessed.

Acapella for me requires my attention and participation, which is a nuisance in itself of course, but for me it makes me more productive. It makes me focus for a few minutes on my breathing and my task at hand of clearing as much crap outta my lungs as possible. Anyhoo, thats why I'm a acapella girl.

littledebbie
04-22-2007, 05:10 AM
I honestly think that the best form of CPT is which ever one you will be most likely to do the most and with a concious effort to clear out your lungs while doing it. For me I thought the vest felt like some form of annoyance torture and since it took no participation on my part I just sort of zoned and payed not a wit to my bretahing or coughing or lack of coughing...mostly I just wanted it to be over. And it irritated my port as well and was impossoble to do while accessed.

Acapella for me requires my attention and participation, which is a nuisance in itself of course, but for me it makes me more productive. It makes me focus for a few minutes on my breathing and my task at hand of clearing as much crap outta my lungs as possible. Anyhoo, thats why I'm a acapella girl.

littledebbie
04-22-2007, 05:10 AM
I honestly think that the best form of CPT is which ever one you will be most likely to do the most and with a concious effort to clear out your lungs while doing it. For me I thought the vest felt like some form of annoyance torture and since it took no participation on my part I just sort of zoned and payed not a wit to my bretahing or coughing or lack of coughing...mostly I just wanted it to be over. And it irritated my port as well and was impossoble to do while accessed.

Acapella for me requires my attention and participation, which is a nuisance in itself of course, but for me it makes me more productive. It makes me focus for a few minutes on my breathing and my task at hand of clearing as much crap outta my lungs as possible. Anyhoo, thats why I'm a acapella girl.

dyza
04-22-2007, 07:48 AM
You all know that I take particular interest in any Vest and Physio threads, we dont have the vest readily available in the UK. It would be a wholly private buy in the UK, no insurance would cover that and the NHS will not either.
So it is very interesting to read Lauren what you say about the vest on your holiday, or rather the lack of vest on your holiday.
I would say that it may be an even split, half swear buy it the other half dont. The point is that you have to try the vest to form that opinion, so the vest must be a good therapy to have, but certainly not the only option.
Have we ever done a survey on chest treatment, I would think we have at some point. Maybe we should start another.

dyza
04-22-2007, 07:48 AM
You all know that I take particular interest in any Vest and Physio threads, we dont have the vest readily available in the UK. It would be a wholly private buy in the UK, no insurance would cover that and the NHS will not either.
So it is very interesting to read Lauren what you say about the vest on your holiday, or rather the lack of vest on your holiday.
I would say that it may be an even split, half swear buy it the other half dont. The point is that you have to try the vest to form that opinion, so the vest must be a good therapy to have, but certainly not the only option.
Have we ever done a survey on chest treatment, I would think we have at some point. Maybe we should start another.

dyza
04-22-2007, 07:48 AM
You all know that I take particular interest in any Vest and Physio threads, we dont have the vest readily available in the UK. It would be a wholly private buy in the UK, no insurance would cover that and the NHS will not either.
So it is very interesting to read Lauren what you say about the vest on your holiday, or rather the lack of vest on your holiday.
I would say that it may be an even split, half swear buy it the other half dont. The point is that you have to try the vest to form that opinion, so the vest must be a good therapy to have, but certainly not the only option.
Have we ever done a survey on chest treatment, I would think we have at some point. Maybe we should start another.

Scarlett81
04-22-2007, 09:20 AM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>littledebbie</b></i>

I honestly think that the best form of CPT is which ever one you will be most likely to do the most and with a concious effort to clear out your lungs while doing it. For me I thought the vest felt like some form of annoyance torture and since it took no participation on my part I just sort of zoned and payed not a wit to my bretahing or coughing or lack of coughing...mostly I just wanted it to be over. And it irritated my port as well and was impossoble to do while accessed.



Acapella for me requires my attention and participation, which is a nuisance in itself of course, but for me it makes me more productive. It makes me focus for a few minutes on my breathing and my task at hand of clearing as much crap outta my lungs as possible. Anyhoo, thats why I'm a acapella girl.</end quote></div>

Now Debbie-I'm not attacking you here, ok?!<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> But this is exactly what I was thinking as i scrolled down reading each post-(not the original posters, bc I don't think what you were trying to say at all was that the vest was useless, just to keep our options open,right?) but I was thinking reading others posts that 9 out of 10 people that don't feel the vest does anything probably haven't been taught how to do it properly.
Then when I read Debbie's post above, in my head went ding ding ding!!!! If you were doing it with no active participation, or just sitting there as you said, then you weren't taught how to do it right. (listen, there is no offense intended here, I did the vest for 10 stinking years with slow gradual decline, and I went to a highly repuatable ped cf clinic, and they didn't teach me the vest properly) So how do we know what to do if these clinics are not teaching us how to do it. It wasn't till I grew up and moved to a new clinic that they said, um.....who taught you to do the vest like this?
The thing is, when the vest is done properly (as directed), it should feel like at the end of it you just did an intense 45 min workout.
That being said-
I agree with the original posters feelings on airway clearance. There are some people I'm sure that do the vest correctly but stil don't see great results all the time or every day. Hey, whatever works for you best.

Scarlett81
04-22-2007, 09:20 AM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>littledebbie</b></i>

I honestly think that the best form of CPT is which ever one you will be most likely to do the most and with a concious effort to clear out your lungs while doing it. For me I thought the vest felt like some form of annoyance torture and since it took no participation on my part I just sort of zoned and payed not a wit to my bretahing or coughing or lack of coughing...mostly I just wanted it to be over. And it irritated my port as well and was impossoble to do while accessed.



Acapella for me requires my attention and participation, which is a nuisance in itself of course, but for me it makes me more productive. It makes me focus for a few minutes on my breathing and my task at hand of clearing as much crap outta my lungs as possible. Anyhoo, thats why I'm a acapella girl.</end quote></div>

Now Debbie-I'm not attacking you here, ok?!<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> But this is exactly what I was thinking as i scrolled down reading each post-(not the original posters, bc I don't think what you were trying to say at all was that the vest was useless, just to keep our options open,right?) but I was thinking reading others posts that 9 out of 10 people that don't feel the vest does anything probably haven't been taught how to do it properly.
Then when I read Debbie's post above, in my head went ding ding ding!!!! If you were doing it with no active participation, or just sitting there as you said, then you weren't taught how to do it right. (listen, there is no offense intended here, I did the vest for 10 stinking years with slow gradual decline, and I went to a highly repuatable ped cf clinic, and they didn't teach me the vest properly) So how do we know what to do if these clinics are not teaching us how to do it. It wasn't till I grew up and moved to a new clinic that they said, um.....who taught you to do the vest like this?
The thing is, when the vest is done properly (as directed), it should feel like at the end of it you just did an intense 45 min workout.
That being said-
I agree with the original posters feelings on airway clearance. There are some people I'm sure that do the vest correctly but stil don't see great results all the time or every day. Hey, whatever works for you best.

Scarlett81
04-22-2007, 09:20 AM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>littledebbie</b></i>

I honestly think that the best form of CPT is which ever one you will be most likely to do the most and with a concious effort to clear out your lungs while doing it. For me I thought the vest felt like some form of annoyance torture and since it took no participation on my part I just sort of zoned and payed not a wit to my bretahing or coughing or lack of coughing...mostly I just wanted it to be over. And it irritated my port as well and was impossoble to do while accessed.



Acapella for me requires my attention and participation, which is a nuisance in itself of course, but for me it makes me more productive. It makes me focus for a few minutes on my breathing and my task at hand of clearing as much crap outta my lungs as possible. Anyhoo, thats why I'm a acapella girl.</end quote></div>

Now Debbie-I'm not attacking you here, ok?!<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> But this is exactly what I was thinking as i scrolled down reading each post-(not the original posters, bc I don't think what you were trying to say at all was that the vest was useless, just to keep our options open,right?) but I was thinking reading others posts that 9 out of 10 people that don't feel the vest does anything probably haven't been taught how to do it properly.
Then when I read Debbie's post above, in my head went ding ding ding!!!! If you were doing it with no active participation, or just sitting there as you said, then you weren't taught how to do it right. (listen, there is no offense intended here, I did the vest for 10 stinking years with slow gradual decline, and I went to a highly repuatable ped cf clinic, and they didn't teach me the vest properly) So how do we know what to do if these clinics are not teaching us how to do it. It wasn't till I grew up and moved to a new clinic that they said, um.....who taught you to do the vest like this?
The thing is, when the vest is done properly (as directed), it should feel like at the end of it you just did an intense 45 min workout.
That being said-
I agree with the original posters feelings on airway clearance. There are some people I'm sure that do the vest correctly but stil don't see great results all the time or every day. Hey, whatever works for you best.

Sreh
04-22-2007, 10:56 AM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>

I am willing to bet large amounts of money that if you put your vest to the wayside for a good period of time, say, 6 months, your feeling about the Vest might be different.</end quote></div>

I wont... I used the vest for a 3-4 month period and got so bad that I lost most of what remained of my fev1's. Was at 39% dropped to below 20%. I think the Vest or any airway clearance device depends on the individual. What works for one wont nessessarily work for another. If the Flutter Valve works better for someone and the Vest works better for you. Thats just how it is. I am going to throw a number out here, cause I can't remember the statics given me years ago, but here it goes. (Made up #'s) Statics show 80% improvement... well that doesn't mean all patients showed an 80% improvement in airway clearance. More accurately is means 80% of the Patients showed improvement, the other 20% didn't. This is an example given me by my doctor and a rep at hillrom, about 5 or 6 years ago. So the numbers are going to be off. Mainly what is being said is the Vest isn't effective for everyone, but for those who it is effective the more power to them for using it, and they shouldn't stop.

Sreh
04-22-2007, 10:56 AM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>

I am willing to bet large amounts of money that if you put your vest to the wayside for a good period of time, say, 6 months, your feeling about the Vest might be different.</end quote></div>

I wont... I used the vest for a 3-4 month period and got so bad that I lost most of what remained of my fev1's. Was at 39% dropped to below 20%. I think the Vest or any airway clearance device depends on the individual. What works for one wont nessessarily work for another. If the Flutter Valve works better for someone and the Vest works better for you. Thats just how it is. I am going to throw a number out here, cause I can't remember the statics given me years ago, but here it goes. (Made up #'s) Statics show 80% improvement... well that doesn't mean all patients showed an 80% improvement in airway clearance. More accurately is means 80% of the Patients showed improvement, the other 20% didn't. This is an example given me by my doctor and a rep at hillrom, about 5 or 6 years ago. So the numbers are going to be off. Mainly what is being said is the Vest isn't effective for everyone, but for those who it is effective the more power to them for using it, and they shouldn't stop.

Sreh
04-22-2007, 10:56 AM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>

I am willing to bet large amounts of money that if you put your vest to the wayside for a good period of time, say, 6 months, your feeling about the Vest might be different.</end quote></div>

I wont... I used the vest for a 3-4 month period and got so bad that I lost most of what remained of my fev1's. Was at 39% dropped to below 20%. I think the Vest or any airway clearance device depends on the individual. What works for one wont nessessarily work for another. If the Flutter Valve works better for someone and the Vest works better for you. Thats just how it is. I am going to throw a number out here, cause I can't remember the statics given me years ago, but here it goes. (Made up #'s) Statics show 80% improvement... well that doesn't mean all patients showed an 80% improvement in airway clearance. More accurately is means 80% of the Patients showed improvement, the other 20% didn't. This is an example given me by my doctor and a rep at hillrom, about 5 or 6 years ago. So the numbers are going to be off. Mainly what is being said is the Vest isn't effective for everyone, but for those who it is effective the more power to them for using it, and they shouldn't stop.

littledebbie
04-22-2007, 06:15 PM
No offense taken Christian. i will say it is entirely possible I wasn't doing it right. I was doing it the same way they do it when I'm in the hospital though so I would be somewhat surprised if it was totally incorrect. However, even in the hospital they ended up switching me to either flutter or manual cpt becasue I was just non-productive with the vest and was a general pain in the as$ pateint to get to do it when accessed.

Bottom line...I found the vest uncomfortable and thought it felt some what assaulting and since I couldn't wait for it to be over I was not the least bit invested in it. again my point being....if you don't like it...you won't do it...hence it's not the best form of CPT for YOU.

littledebbie
04-22-2007, 06:15 PM
No offense taken Christian. i will say it is entirely possible I wasn't doing it right. I was doing it the same way they do it when I'm in the hospital though so I would be somewhat surprised if it was totally incorrect. However, even in the hospital they ended up switching me to either flutter or manual cpt becasue I was just non-productive with the vest and was a general pain in the as$ pateint to get to do it when accessed.

Bottom line...I found the vest uncomfortable and thought it felt some what assaulting and since I couldn't wait for it to be over I was not the least bit invested in it. again my point being....if you don't like it...you won't do it...hence it's not the best form of CPT for YOU.

littledebbie
04-22-2007, 06:15 PM
No offense taken Christian. i will say it is entirely possible I wasn't doing it right. I was doing it the same way they do it when I'm in the hospital though so I would be somewhat surprised if it was totally incorrect. However, even in the hospital they ended up switching me to either flutter or manual cpt becasue I was just non-productive with the vest and was a general pain in the as$ pateint to get to do it when accessed.

Bottom line...I found the vest uncomfortable and thought it felt some what assaulting and since I couldn't wait for it to be over I was not the least bit invested in it. again my point being....if you don't like it...you won't do it...hence it's not the best form of CPT for YOU.

LouLou
04-23-2007, 12:43 PM
I think there are some other variables you might not be considering Laura.

As you know I have been to Costa Rica. Upon return I also felt better than when I departed. Although I also did not bring my Vest (used Acapella), I did not attribute this healthy state to the lack of Vest. Is it possible? Sure, change can often do a person good.

Here are some points to consider:

1) I bet you ate fruit every morning with breakfast (can you claim this same healthy habit at home?) Maybe you even ate better at all meals?
2) I didn't drink milk while in CR because it isn't pastorized there and at home I drink 2 gallons a week. Although I don't believe milk to be a mucus producer I sometimes wonder if humans are not meant to drink cow's milk. Are you a big milk drinker? Or maybe there was something else you regularly have in the US that you didn't in CR.
3) I don't recall you living by the beach. You were by ocean water for days. Breathing it 24 hours a day! It's like a constant HTS treatment :-)
4) From you pictures you seemed quite active... do you remain this active at home?
5) Stress wreaks havac on the lungs. <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060830/hl_nm/lungs_dc
">http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060830/hl_nm/lungs_dc
</a>I'm willing to bet you reduced your stress level while on vacation. Consider how you accomplished this and bring it into your daily/weekly routine back at home.

...you get the idea.

5) Also, like others have said, the flutter and Acapella require more participation. If you are a "strap on and go" Vest person with no induced mucus production at regular intervals I would deduce that the other mechanisms would be more beneficial to you as well. Learn to use the Vest correctly.

A few tips I learned from Scarlett81 and others.
1) Make sure your vest comes all the way up to your collarbone.
2) Follow Dr. Warwicks suggestion of frequency/pressure
3) If you follow #2, you'll do 6 sessions of 5 min's. Break between each 5 min. session and huff cough and spit 5 times.
4) Start to find your normal volume of mucus you can produce. Your AM amount will likely be different than your PM amount. Aim each treatment to meet or exceed these volume goals.
5) Do 5-10 min. of Acapella after the Vest to assure all loose mucus is out. My doctor swears that the Vest doesn't clear it just loosens the mucus. Since most of us are upper lobe effected, loosening and not removing can cause problems since gravity will move this infected mucus to our previously uninfected lower lobes.

LouLou
04-23-2007, 12:43 PM
I think there are some other variables you might not be considering Laura.

As you know I have been to Costa Rica. Upon return I also felt better than when I departed. Although I also did not bring my Vest (used Acapella), I did not attribute this healthy state to the lack of Vest. Is it possible? Sure, change can often do a person good.

Here are some points to consider:

1) I bet you ate fruit every morning with breakfast (can you claim this same healthy habit at home?) Maybe you even ate better at all meals?
2) I didn't drink milk while in CR because it isn't pastorized there and at home I drink 2 gallons a week. Although I don't believe milk to be a mucus producer I sometimes wonder if humans are not meant to drink cow's milk. Are you a big milk drinker? Or maybe there was something else you regularly have in the US that you didn't in CR.
3) I don't recall you living by the beach. You were by ocean water for days. Breathing it 24 hours a day! It's like a constant HTS treatment :-)
4) From you pictures you seemed quite active... do you remain this active at home?
5) Stress wreaks havac on the lungs. <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060830/hl_nm/lungs_dc
">http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060830/hl_nm/lungs_dc
</a>I'm willing to bet you reduced your stress level while on vacation. Consider how you accomplished this and bring it into your daily/weekly routine back at home.

...you get the idea.

5) Also, like others have said, the flutter and Acapella require more participation. If you are a "strap on and go" Vest person with no induced mucus production at regular intervals I would deduce that the other mechanisms would be more beneficial to you as well. Learn to use the Vest correctly.

A few tips I learned from Scarlett81 and others.
1) Make sure your vest comes all the way up to your collarbone.
2) Follow Dr. Warwicks suggestion of frequency/pressure
3) If you follow #2, you'll do 6 sessions of 5 min's. Break between each 5 min. session and huff cough and spit 5 times.
4) Start to find your normal volume of mucus you can produce. Your AM amount will likely be different than your PM amount. Aim each treatment to meet or exceed these volume goals.
5) Do 5-10 min. of Acapella after the Vest to assure all loose mucus is out. My doctor swears that the Vest doesn't clear it just loosens the mucus. Since most of us are upper lobe effected, loosening and not removing can cause problems since gravity will move this infected mucus to our previously uninfected lower lobes.

LouLou
04-23-2007, 12:43 PM
I think there are some other variables you might not be considering Laura.

As you know I have been to Costa Rica. Upon return I also felt better than when I departed. Although I also did not bring my Vest (used Acapella), I did not attribute this healthy state to the lack of Vest. Is it possible? Sure, change can often do a person good.

Here are some points to consider:

1) I bet you ate fruit every morning with breakfast (can you claim this same healthy habit at home?) Maybe you even ate better at all meals?
2) I didn't drink milk while in CR because it isn't pastorized there and at home I drink 2 gallons a week. Although I don't believe milk to be a mucus producer I sometimes wonder if humans are not meant to drink cow's milk. Are you a big milk drinker? Or maybe there was something else you regularly have in the US that you didn't in CR.
3) I don't recall you living by the beach. You were by ocean water for days. Breathing it 24 hours a day! It's like a constant HTS treatment :-)
4) From you pictures you seemed quite active... do you remain this active at home?
5) Stress wreaks havac on the lungs. <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060830/hl_nm/lungs_dc
">http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060830/hl_nm/lungs_dc
</a>I'm willing to bet you reduced your stress level while on vacation. Consider how you accomplished this and bring it into your daily/weekly routine back at home.

...you get the idea.

5) Also, like others have said, the flutter and Acapella require more participation. If you are a "strap on and go" Vest person with no induced mucus production at regular intervals I would deduce that the other mechanisms would be more beneficial to you as well. Learn to use the Vest correctly.

A few tips I learned from Scarlett81 and others.
1) Make sure your vest comes all the way up to your collarbone.
2) Follow Dr. Warwicks suggestion of frequency/pressure
3) If you follow #2, you'll do 6 sessions of 5 min's. Break between each 5 min. session and huff cough and spit 5 times.
4) Start to find your normal volume of mucus you can produce. Your AM amount will likely be different than your PM amount. Aim each treatment to meet or exceed these volume goals.
5) Do 5-10 min. of Acapella after the Vest to assure all loose mucus is out. My doctor swears that the Vest doesn't clear it just loosens the mucus. Since most of us are upper lobe effected, loosening and not removing can cause problems since gravity will move this infected mucus to our previously uninfected lower lobes.

catboogie
04-25-2007, 03:23 AM
lauren,

thanks for your responce. you bring up a lot of good points. i did eat a lot more fruit than usual in C.R. (although, i've been working on that the last couple of months.) not sure about the milk thing...i don't drink a whole lot of milk as it is. i don't live on the ocean, but i have spent a lot of time there and have never noticed a significant change in my lungs because of it. we were very active, as i was before the trip. and stress is an excellent thing to bring up...i try to stay low stress but there's nothing quite like a vacation to do that for you.

i'm glad i posted this because its gotten me thinking that i could probably be doing a better job with my vest. i am bad at remembering to stop and cough as much as i should. although i haven't noticed any adverse effects from this, it is possible that its causing me to be less productive than i otherwise could. (that reminds me, the next version of the inCourage, and by this i don't mean a new model but rather working out some of the kinks, is supposedly going to have 5 minute coughing pauses automatically put into the quick start program to remind you to stop and cough!)

my main reason for the post was to express that i was happy my experiment without the vest had gone so well.

thanks, everyone, for your responces!

catboogie
04-25-2007, 03:23 AM
lauren,

thanks for your responce. you bring up a lot of good points. i did eat a lot more fruit than usual in C.R. (although, i've been working on that the last couple of months.) not sure about the milk thing...i don't drink a whole lot of milk as it is. i don't live on the ocean, but i have spent a lot of time there and have never noticed a significant change in my lungs because of it. we were very active, as i was before the trip. and stress is an excellent thing to bring up...i try to stay low stress but there's nothing quite like a vacation to do that for you.

i'm glad i posted this because its gotten me thinking that i could probably be doing a better job with my vest. i am bad at remembering to stop and cough as much as i should. although i haven't noticed any adverse effects from this, it is possible that its causing me to be less productive than i otherwise could. (that reminds me, the next version of the inCourage, and by this i don't mean a new model but rather working out some of the kinks, is supposedly going to have 5 minute coughing pauses automatically put into the quick start program to remind you to stop and cough!)

my main reason for the post was to express that i was happy my experiment without the vest had gone so well.

thanks, everyone, for your responces!

catboogie
04-25-2007, 03:23 AM
lauren,

thanks for your responce. you bring up a lot of good points. i did eat a lot more fruit than usual in C.R. (although, i've been working on that the last couple of months.) not sure about the milk thing...i don't drink a whole lot of milk as it is. i don't live on the ocean, but i have spent a lot of time there and have never noticed a significant change in my lungs because of it. we were very active, as i was before the trip. and stress is an excellent thing to bring up...i try to stay low stress but there's nothing quite like a vacation to do that for you.

i'm glad i posted this because its gotten me thinking that i could probably be doing a better job with my vest. i am bad at remembering to stop and cough as much as i should. although i haven't noticed any adverse effects from this, it is possible that its causing me to be less productive than i otherwise could. (that reminds me, the next version of the inCourage, and by this i don't mean a new model but rather working out some of the kinks, is supposedly going to have 5 minute coughing pauses automatically put into the quick start program to remind you to stop and cough!)

my main reason for the post was to express that i was happy my experiment without the vest had gone so well.

thanks, everyone, for your responces!

65rosessamurai
04-25-2007, 03:32 AM
Lately, I've gotten a little curious about how the vest works.
I was wondering what frequency range and pressure ranges it has. Also, I was wondering if it feels anything like going to a rock concert and sitting in the front row seats, where you can "Feel" the bass drum?!
Though, working in a company which deals with ultrasonic has also been related to the increase of my curiosity.

65rosessamurai
04-25-2007, 03:32 AM
Lately, I've gotten a little curious about how the vest works.
I was wondering what frequency range and pressure ranges it has. Also, I was wondering if it feels anything like going to a rock concert and sitting in the front row seats, where you can "Feel" the bass drum?!
Though, working in a company which deals with ultrasonic has also been related to the increase of my curiosity.

65rosessamurai
04-25-2007, 03:32 AM
Lately, I've gotten a little curious about how the vest works.
I was wondering what frequency range and pressure ranges it has. Also, I was wondering if it feels anything like going to a rock concert and sitting in the front row seats, where you can "Feel" the bass drum?!
Though, working in a company which deals with ultrasonic has also been related to the increase of my curiosity.