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XAriesStarGazerX
12-31-2006, 04:19 AM
Im 21 year old female and i have a son named Eli who is non Cf that is going to be 4 months ! He is the world to me! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
Anyways my lungs arent too bad yet but they are getting worse so my doctor told me the best thing would be to get a Tubal done . She was very blunt. She said if i wanted to see my baby grow up not to have anymore kids...So i had a Tubal done yesterday , i think it was for the best ..Im still a little sad cuz i wanted to have more children but im lucky that i have Eli and extremely lucky that he doesnt have CF. How many kids do ya have?
And hows your CF?
Anyone else had a Tubal?
Just some questions i wanted to ask!
Vanessa Alejo/21/CF/Mommy of Eli who is non CF<img src="i/expressions/rose.gif" border="0">

XAriesStarGazerX
12-31-2006, 04:19 AM
Im 21 year old female and i have a son named Eli who is non Cf that is going to be 4 months ! He is the world to me! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
Anyways my lungs arent too bad yet but they are getting worse so my doctor told me the best thing would be to get a Tubal done . She was very blunt. She said if i wanted to see my baby grow up not to have anymore kids...So i had a Tubal done yesterday , i think it was for the best ..Im still a little sad cuz i wanted to have more children but im lucky that i have Eli and extremely lucky that he doesnt have CF. How many kids do ya have?
And hows your CF?
Anyone else had a Tubal?
Just some questions i wanted to ask!
Vanessa Alejo/21/CF/Mommy of Eli who is non CF<img src="i/expressions/rose.gif" border="0">

XAriesStarGazerX
12-31-2006, 04:19 AM
Im 21 year old female and i have a son named Eli who is non Cf that is going to be 4 months ! He is the world to me! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
Anyways my lungs arent too bad yet but they are getting worse so my doctor told me the best thing would be to get a Tubal done . She was very blunt. She said if i wanted to see my baby grow up not to have anymore kids...So i had a Tubal done yesterday , i think it was for the best ..Im still a little sad cuz i wanted to have more children but im lucky that i have Eli and extremely lucky that he doesnt have CF. How many kids do ya have?
And hows your CF?
Anyone else had a Tubal?
Just some questions i wanted to ask!
Vanessa Alejo/21/CF/Mommy of Eli who is non CF<img src="i/expressions/rose.gif" border="0">

wanderlost
12-31-2006, 12:03 PM
Hi, welcome to the site. There are a lot of Cf moms here. I have 2 kids myself and a stepson. I have not had a tubal and I don't think I will. I think when we are ready for permanent birth control, my husband will get a vasectomy - but we are not ready for that yet. I am suprized your doctor was so blunt. What are your PFTS right now??

wanderlost
12-31-2006, 12:03 PM
Hi, welcome to the site. There are a lot of Cf moms here. I have 2 kids myself and a stepson. I have not had a tubal and I don't think I will. I think when we are ready for permanent birth control, my husband will get a vasectomy - but we are not ready for that yet. I am suprized your doctor was so blunt. What are your PFTS right now??

wanderlost
12-31-2006, 12:03 PM
Hi, welcome to the site. There are a lot of Cf moms here. I have 2 kids myself and a stepson. I have not had a tubal and I don't think I will. I think when we are ready for permanent birth control, my husband will get a vasectomy - but we are not ready for that yet. I am suprized your doctor was so blunt. What are your PFTS right now??

JazzysMom
12-31-2006, 12:35 PM
Before I got pregnant I was in another marriage & at that time had no intention of having children. I was told cant/shouldnt/wont and married a man who already had children so the "pressure" would be off. I was having a lot of problems with my period affecting my health & consulted a doctor about getting a full hysterectomy. Even tho I didnt plan on having children it seemed pretty radical. Before I had a chance to make a final decision I left my husband. Within the next year I met the love of my life (current husband) and got pregnant. Ironically the same doctor I consulted with about the hysterectomy was the OB I went to locally for my checkups. After having my daughter I asked her about tying my tubes. She didnt feel comfortable doing it because I was still young & tho I had CF I had a great pregnancy & she didnt want to prevent any future possibilities just then. The doctor who delivered by daughter is at the hospital my clinic is at & its catholic so getting it done there was not an option. To this day altho I dont plan on bearing any more kids I havent tyed by tubes. I have an IUD in that is good for 10 years. I dont know all of your situation, but I dont think it was completely opened minded of your doctor to say this. Is it possible--YES......since your already had the procedure done its a bit late to look at the what ifs. Enjoy your child you have and your health!

JazzysMom
12-31-2006, 12:35 PM
Before I got pregnant I was in another marriage & at that time had no intention of having children. I was told cant/shouldnt/wont and married a man who already had children so the "pressure" would be off. I was having a lot of problems with my period affecting my health & consulted a doctor about getting a full hysterectomy. Even tho I didnt plan on having children it seemed pretty radical. Before I had a chance to make a final decision I left my husband. Within the next year I met the love of my life (current husband) and got pregnant. Ironically the same doctor I consulted with about the hysterectomy was the OB I went to locally for my checkups. After having my daughter I asked her about tying my tubes. She didnt feel comfortable doing it because I was still young & tho I had CF I had a great pregnancy & she didnt want to prevent any future possibilities just then. The doctor who delivered by daughter is at the hospital my clinic is at & its catholic so getting it done there was not an option. To this day altho I dont plan on bearing any more kids I havent tyed by tubes. I have an IUD in that is good for 10 years. I dont know all of your situation, but I dont think it was completely opened minded of your doctor to say this. Is it possible--YES......since your already had the procedure done its a bit late to look at the what ifs. Enjoy your child you have and your health!

JazzysMom
12-31-2006, 12:35 PM
Before I got pregnant I was in another marriage & at that time had no intention of having children. I was told cant/shouldnt/wont and married a man who already had children so the "pressure" would be off. I was having a lot of problems with my period affecting my health & consulted a doctor about getting a full hysterectomy. Even tho I didnt plan on having children it seemed pretty radical. Before I had a chance to make a final decision I left my husband. Within the next year I met the love of my life (current husband) and got pregnant. Ironically the same doctor I consulted with about the hysterectomy was the OB I went to locally for my checkups. After having my daughter I asked her about tying my tubes. She didnt feel comfortable doing it because I was still young & tho I had CF I had a great pregnancy & she didnt want to prevent any future possibilities just then. The doctor who delivered by daughter is at the hospital my clinic is at & its catholic so getting it done there was not an option. To this day altho I dont plan on bearing any more kids I havent tyed by tubes. I have an IUD in that is good for 10 years. I dont know all of your situation, but I dont think it was completely opened minded of your doctor to say this. Is it possible--YES......since your already had the procedure done its a bit late to look at the what ifs. Enjoy your child you have and your health!

NoExcuses
12-31-2006, 01:37 PM
I'm pretty close to getting a tubal myself. I'm not married, but if and when I get married, I will get a tubal.

I don't want to have kids naturally (may want to adopt later...I think adoption is wonderful) because I know it will affect my health. If not the pregnancy itself, the stress of having a child and/or the kid's germs will affect my health.

So I agree with your doc. And I wish more docs were like yours. Most CF docs are into the let your patients do whatever they want to avoid hurting their feelings. And I don't think docs discuss the consequences of pregnancy to their patients.

Adoption is a great option.

I think you did the right thing - thank you for sharing your experience. This board needs more perspectives like yours to balance the use your uterus perspective. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

NoExcuses
12-31-2006, 01:37 PM
I'm pretty close to getting a tubal myself. I'm not married, but if and when I get married, I will get a tubal.

I don't want to have kids naturally (may want to adopt later...I think adoption is wonderful) because I know it will affect my health. If not the pregnancy itself, the stress of having a child and/or the kid's germs will affect my health.

So I agree with your doc. And I wish more docs were like yours. Most CF docs are into the let your patients do whatever they want to avoid hurting their feelings. And I don't think docs discuss the consequences of pregnancy to their patients.

Adoption is a great option.

I think you did the right thing - thank you for sharing your experience. This board needs more perspectives like yours to balance the use your uterus perspective. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

NoExcuses
12-31-2006, 01:37 PM
I'm pretty close to getting a tubal myself. I'm not married, but if and when I get married, I will get a tubal.

I don't want to have kids naturally (may want to adopt later...I think adoption is wonderful) because I know it will affect my health. If not the pregnancy itself, the stress of having a child and/or the kid's germs will affect my health.

So I agree with your doc. And I wish more docs were like yours. Most CF docs are into the let your patients do whatever they want to avoid hurting their feelings. And I don't think docs discuss the consequences of pregnancy to their patients.

Adoption is a great option.

I think you did the right thing - thank you for sharing your experience. This board needs more perspectives like yours to balance the use your uterus perspective. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

2perfectboys
12-31-2006, 02:59 PM
"Pregnancy has little adverse effect on patients with stable CF." Chest, Vol 111, 963-969

"Women with CF who became pregnant were initially healthier and had better 10-year survival rates than women with CF who did not become pregnant. After adjustment for the initial severity of illness, women who became pregnant did not have a significantly shortened survival. " Chest. 2003;124:1460-1468

I've actually talked to people that said they felt their best when they were pregnant. It'd def a personal choice. Motherhood is the greatest thing, but it's not for everyone, but for me it would be a lonley world without my kids.

Vanessa, Congrats on Eli! Nothing like having a little one to motivate us in life and show us just how precious life is.

2perfectboys
12-31-2006, 02:59 PM
"Pregnancy has little adverse effect on patients with stable CF." Chest, Vol 111, 963-969

"Women with CF who became pregnant were initially healthier and had better 10-year survival rates than women with CF who did not become pregnant. After adjustment for the initial severity of illness, women who became pregnant did not have a significantly shortened survival. " Chest. 2003;124:1460-1468

I've actually talked to people that said they felt their best when they were pregnant. It'd def a personal choice. Motherhood is the greatest thing, but it's not for everyone, but for me it would be a lonley world without my kids.

Vanessa, Congrats on Eli! Nothing like having a little one to motivate us in life and show us just how precious life is.

2perfectboys
12-31-2006, 02:59 PM
"Pregnancy has little adverse effect on patients with stable CF." Chest, Vol 111, 963-969

"Women with CF who became pregnant were initially healthier and had better 10-year survival rates than women with CF who did not become pregnant. After adjustment for the initial severity of illness, women who became pregnant did not have a significantly shortened survival. " Chest. 2003;124:1460-1468

I've actually talked to people that said they felt their best when they were pregnant. It'd def a personal choice. Motherhood is the greatest thing, but it's not for everyone, but for me it would be a lonley world without my kids.

Vanessa, Congrats on Eli! Nothing like having a little one to motivate us in life and show us just how precious life is.

jenhum
12-31-2006, 03:04 PM
My husband and I are going to start trying in a couple of months for our first child. After I've had one though, I plan on having my tubes tied. My health is borderline for pregnancy, and while it is very important to me to have one child myself, it'll be better for me to adopt if we decide we want more than one. I had always planned on my husband having a vasectomy, but realized that he may want to have children again sometime in the future if he ever gets remarried after I die. Kind of a dark thought, but I'm just trying to be realistic <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">. So I'm sorry I can't give you any personal experience yet, but I do plan on having one done.

jenhum
12-31-2006, 03:04 PM
My husband and I are going to start trying in a couple of months for our first child. After I've had one though, I plan on having my tubes tied. My health is borderline for pregnancy, and while it is very important to me to have one child myself, it'll be better for me to adopt if we decide we want more than one. I had always planned on my husband having a vasectomy, but realized that he may want to have children again sometime in the future if he ever gets remarried after I die. Kind of a dark thought, but I'm just trying to be realistic <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">. So I'm sorry I can't give you any personal experience yet, but I do plan on having one done.

jenhum
12-31-2006, 03:04 PM
My husband and I are going to start trying in a couple of months for our first child. After I've had one though, I plan on having my tubes tied. My health is borderline for pregnancy, and while it is very important to me to have one child myself, it'll be better for me to adopt if we decide we want more than one. I had always planned on my husband having a vasectomy, but realized that he may want to have children again sometime in the future if he ever gets remarried after I die. Kind of a dark thought, but I'm just trying to be realistic <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">. So I'm sorry I can't give you any personal experience yet, but I do plan on having one done.

JazzysMom
12-31-2006, 03:05 PM
Pregnancy did agree with me. It doesnt for everyone & I would stake my house on it that the care of the child is much harder because that doesnt go away in 8- 9 months. If you have a problem during pregnancy its much harder to bounce back when you now have a baby to care for even with all the support in the world. Once you become a mom (pregnancy or adoption) its instinctive to want to do for that child.

JazzysMom
12-31-2006, 03:05 PM
Pregnancy did agree with me. It doesnt for everyone & I would stake my house on it that the care of the child is much harder because that doesnt go away in 8- 9 months. If you have a problem during pregnancy its much harder to bounce back when you now have a baby to care for even with all the support in the world. Once you become a mom (pregnancy or adoption) its instinctive to want to do for that child.

JazzysMom
12-31-2006, 03:05 PM
Pregnancy did agree with me. It doesnt for everyone & I would stake my house on it that the care of the child is much harder because that doesnt go away in 8- 9 months. If you have a problem during pregnancy its much harder to bounce back when you now have a baby to care for even with all the support in the world. Once you become a mom (pregnancy or adoption) its instinctive to want to do for that child.

MCGrad2006
12-31-2006, 03:40 PM
I have also been thinking about this very topic lately. I am not engaged or anything, but have a serious boyfriend and we have talked about getting engaged, I'm just not ready. I have always loved children and cant wait to have my own. Eventually when i get married, I would like to have at least one on my own. I want to be able to be pregnant just once. I am also not against adoption, I think it would be a great thing to do. I agree with many of you that are already moms tho, having the child is probably going to be harder than tthe actual pregnancy.

By the way, Vanessa....I am Caitlin, and I am 22. NIce to meet you and hopefully we can get to know each other better!!! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

MCGrad2006
12-31-2006, 03:40 PM
I have also been thinking about this very topic lately. I am not engaged or anything, but have a serious boyfriend and we have talked about getting engaged, I'm just not ready. I have always loved children and cant wait to have my own. Eventually when i get married, I would like to have at least one on my own. I want to be able to be pregnant just once. I am also not against adoption, I think it would be a great thing to do. I agree with many of you that are already moms tho, having the child is probably going to be harder than tthe actual pregnancy.

By the way, Vanessa....I am Caitlin, and I am 22. NIce to meet you and hopefully we can get to know each other better!!! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

MCGrad2006
12-31-2006, 03:40 PM
I have also been thinking about this very topic lately. I am not engaged or anything, but have a serious boyfriend and we have talked about getting engaged, I'm just not ready. I have always loved children and cant wait to have my own. Eventually when i get married, I would like to have at least one on my own. I want to be able to be pregnant just once. I am also not against adoption, I think it would be a great thing to do. I agree with many of you that are already moms tho, having the child is probably going to be harder than tthe actual pregnancy.

By the way, Vanessa....I am Caitlin, and I am 22. NIce to meet you and hopefully we can get to know each other better!!! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

NoExcuses
12-31-2006, 03:48 PM
Great post Lori. Here is an updated article from Chest of <b>2006.</b>

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?itool=abstractplus&db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=abstractplus&list_uids=16537871
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/en...t_uids=16537871
</a>


The one issue I have with the study is that they are comparing pregnant women with an average FEV1 of 75% in the pregnancy group and the non-pregnant group had an FEV1 of 66%. I'm willing to bet that if you compared two groups of CF patients, both groups not pregnant, one with an average FEV1 of 75% and one with an average FEV1 of 66%, the 66% group would decline faster than the 75% group. Not much, but there would be a difference.

So comparing a healthier 75% pregnant group and saying that their decline was the same as a 66% less healthy group is inherinetly flawed.

The study goes on to say:

"During pregnancy, outpatient visits were 33% more frequent compared to baseline and 62% more frequent than in the nonpregnant group (7.19 vs 4.45, respectively, visits annually). Annual rates of respiratory exacerbation and hospitalization..... increased during pregnancy."

"CONCLUSIONS: ....pregnant women use a greater number of therapies and receive more intense monitoring of their health."

NoExcuses
12-31-2006, 03:48 PM
Great post Lori. Here is an updated article from Chest of <b>2006.</b>

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?itool=abstractplus&db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=abstractplus&list_uids=16537871
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/en...t_uids=16537871
</a>


The one issue I have with the study is that they are comparing pregnant women with an average FEV1 of 75% in the pregnancy group and the non-pregnant group had an FEV1 of 66%. I'm willing to bet that if you compared two groups of CF patients, both groups not pregnant, one with an average FEV1 of 75% and one with an average FEV1 of 66%, the 66% group would decline faster than the 75% group. Not much, but there would be a difference.

So comparing a healthier 75% pregnant group and saying that their decline was the same as a 66% less healthy group is inherinetly flawed.

The study goes on to say:

"During pregnancy, outpatient visits were 33% more frequent compared to baseline and 62% more frequent than in the nonpregnant group (7.19 vs 4.45, respectively, visits annually). Annual rates of respiratory exacerbation and hospitalization..... increased during pregnancy."

"CONCLUSIONS: ....pregnant women use a greater number of therapies and receive more intense monitoring of their health."

NoExcuses
12-31-2006, 03:48 PM
Great post Lori. Here is an updated article from Chest of <b>2006.</b>

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?itool=abstractplus&db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=abstractplus&list_uids=16537871
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/en...t_uids=16537871
</a>


The one issue I have with the study is that they are comparing pregnant women with an average FEV1 of 75% in the pregnancy group and the non-pregnant group had an FEV1 of 66%. I'm willing to bet that if you compared two groups of CF patients, both groups not pregnant, one with an average FEV1 of 75% and one with an average FEV1 of 66%, the 66% group would decline faster than the 75% group. Not much, but there would be a difference.

So comparing a healthier 75% pregnant group and saying that their decline was the same as a 66% less healthy group is inherinetly flawed.

The study goes on to say:

"During pregnancy, outpatient visits were 33% more frequent compared to baseline and 62% more frequent than in the nonpregnant group (7.19 vs 4.45, respectively, visits annually). Annual rates of respiratory exacerbation and hospitalization..... increased during pregnancy."

"CONCLUSIONS: ....pregnant women use a greater number of therapies and receive more intense monitoring of their health."

Hermit
12-31-2006, 05:07 PM
Amy, doesn't that just make sense though?

Obviously a pregnant CF woman is going to be monitored much more closely than a non-pregnant CF woman. So if the doctors think she could have an infection, they're probably more likely to admit her than just send her home on oral antibiotics and Tobi. Also, a CF woman is considered a "high-risk pregnancy"--meaning she will have to go in for more check-ups, and more general monitoring than a non-pregnant one. This just makes sense, and is certainly not necessarily DUE to the pregnancy.

My mother has been an Ob/Gyn for 30 years, and she specializes in high-risk pregnancies. Neither her, nor four out of my five CF doctors have ever said CF and pregnancy don't mix (and this is my mother, who is paranoid about my health). I have had the "tie my tubes?" conversation with them many times and generally the answer is "no!". My PFTs are 60%, I am in the normal weight range for my height and my health is considered stable.

Though it may be more difficult to take care of a child when you have CF, it's more incentive to stay healthy for a long time. You can't just "give up" anymore because you're a mother. I think the happiness and love associated with having kids can only be a positive thing (unless you're maybe a single mom and don't have any kind of financial/emotional support network, in which case I think it would be quite difficult!)

Just my thoughts,
Chris

Hermit
12-31-2006, 05:07 PM
Amy, doesn't that just make sense though?

Obviously a pregnant CF woman is going to be monitored much more closely than a non-pregnant CF woman. So if the doctors think she could have an infection, they're probably more likely to admit her than just send her home on oral antibiotics and Tobi. Also, a CF woman is considered a "high-risk pregnancy"--meaning she will have to go in for more check-ups, and more general monitoring than a non-pregnant one. This just makes sense, and is certainly not necessarily DUE to the pregnancy.

My mother has been an Ob/Gyn for 30 years, and she specializes in high-risk pregnancies. Neither her, nor four out of my five CF doctors have ever said CF and pregnancy don't mix (and this is my mother, who is paranoid about my health). I have had the "tie my tubes?" conversation with them many times and generally the answer is "no!". My PFTs are 60%, I am in the normal weight range for my height and my health is considered stable.

Though it may be more difficult to take care of a child when you have CF, it's more incentive to stay healthy for a long time. You can't just "give up" anymore because you're a mother. I think the happiness and love associated with having kids can only be a positive thing (unless you're maybe a single mom and don't have any kind of financial/emotional support network, in which case I think it would be quite difficult!)

Just my thoughts,
Chris

Hermit
12-31-2006, 05:07 PM
Amy, doesn't that just make sense though?

Obviously a pregnant CF woman is going to be monitored much more closely than a non-pregnant CF woman. So if the doctors think she could have an infection, they're probably more likely to admit her than just send her home on oral antibiotics and Tobi. Also, a CF woman is considered a "high-risk pregnancy"--meaning she will have to go in for more check-ups, and more general monitoring than a non-pregnant one. This just makes sense, and is certainly not necessarily DUE to the pregnancy.

My mother has been an Ob/Gyn for 30 years, and she specializes in high-risk pregnancies. Neither her, nor four out of my five CF doctors have ever said CF and pregnancy don't mix (and this is my mother, who is paranoid about my health). I have had the "tie my tubes?" conversation with them many times and generally the answer is "no!". My PFTs are 60%, I am in the normal weight range for my height and my health is considered stable.

Though it may be more difficult to take care of a child when you have CF, it's more incentive to stay healthy for a long time. You can't just "give up" anymore because you're a mother. I think the happiness and love associated with having kids can only be a positive thing (unless you're maybe a single mom and don't have any kind of financial/emotional support network, in which case I think it would be quite difficult!)

Just my thoughts,
Chris

Allie
12-31-2006, 05:54 PM
I agree with your doctor. Why?

I have known 3 people with CF who got pregnant, 2 died, 1 almost did. It's not the majority...but what if it's you? Is that worth leaving you existing child? It's not just for you, it's for the love of Eli. Adopt if you want more, but do what you can for Eli.

Allie
12-31-2006, 05:54 PM
I agree with your doctor. Why?

I have known 3 people with CF who got pregnant, 2 died, 1 almost did. It's not the majority...but what if it's you? Is that worth leaving you existing child? It's not just for you, it's for the love of Eli. Adopt if you want more, but do what you can for Eli.

Allie
12-31-2006, 05:54 PM
I agree with your doctor. Why?

I have known 3 people with CF who got pregnant, 2 died, 1 almost did. It's not the majority...but what if it's you? Is that worth leaving you existing child? It's not just for you, it's for the love of Eli. Adopt if you want more, but do what you can for Eli.

becca23
12-31-2006, 11:03 PM
When I was pregnant I was actually healthier. Yes I did see the cf docs more often but that was for prcautionary reasons. Just like seeing the ob monthly. I only went every two months instead of every three.

As far as my health, yes it has declined some but I do not htink it was do ot hte pregnancies, I think the MRSA is more to blame ,which I cultured positive for 8 months after having my last child, it is my belief that I contracted it will in hospital for gallbladder surgery.

becca23
12-31-2006, 11:03 PM
When I was pregnant I was actually healthier. Yes I did see the cf docs more often but that was for prcautionary reasons. Just like seeing the ob monthly. I only went every two months instead of every three.

As far as my health, yes it has declined some but I do not htink it was do ot hte pregnancies, I think the MRSA is more to blame ,which I cultured positive for 8 months after having my last child, it is my belief that I contracted it will in hospital for gallbladder surgery.

becca23
12-31-2006, 11:03 PM
When I was pregnant I was actually healthier. Yes I did see the cf docs more often but that was for prcautionary reasons. Just like seeing the ob monthly. I only went every two months instead of every three.

As far as my health, yes it has declined some but I do not htink it was do ot hte pregnancies, I think the MRSA is more to blame ,which I cultured positive for 8 months after having my last child, it is my belief that I contracted it will in hospital for gallbladder surgery.

Jem
01-01-2007, 04:01 AM
I have 3 children. One is almost 21, one 19 and one 16. These pregnancies took place after I had my Upper Left Lobectomy due to chronic hemoptysis. 7 yrs ago I had the rest of my left lung removed because of chronic hemoptysis. My pregnancies went well. I have not had a tubal. For a family planning method my husband and I use Natural Family Planning which has been extremely effective. The state of my health today is very good. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

Jem
01-01-2007, 04:01 AM
I have 3 children. One is almost 21, one 19 and one 16. These pregnancies took place after I had my Upper Left Lobectomy due to chronic hemoptysis. 7 yrs ago I had the rest of my left lung removed because of chronic hemoptysis. My pregnancies went well. I have not had a tubal. For a family planning method my husband and I use Natural Family Planning which has been extremely effective. The state of my health today is very good. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

Jem
01-01-2007, 04:01 AM
I have 3 children. One is almost 21, one 19 and one 16. These pregnancies took place after I had my Upper Left Lobectomy due to chronic hemoptysis. 7 yrs ago I had the rest of my left lung removed because of chronic hemoptysis. My pregnancies went well. I have not had a tubal. For a family planning method my husband and I use Natural Family Planning which has been extremely effective. The state of my health today is very good. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

XAriesStarGazerX
01-01-2007, 04:26 AM
Thanks everyone for responding .<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> You all seem really awesome!
My PFTs right now are in the 80's theyve been going up and down lately .
When i was pregnant i had my good days and bad days ide have days where i felt great! And then their was days i felt like sleeping all day because i had a hard time breathing ...But being Pregnant is the greatest feeling in the world ! Especially when your baby starts kicking and moving around !! I think Tying my Tubes was the right chose for me . Every Preganncy is diffrent and just because i did ok this time doesnt mean next time i wont have complications ..
Vanessa/CF/21/mommy of Eli non CF

XAriesStarGazerX
01-01-2007, 04:26 AM
Thanks everyone for responding .<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> You all seem really awesome!
My PFTs right now are in the 80's theyve been going up and down lately .
When i was pregnant i had my good days and bad days ide have days where i felt great! And then their was days i felt like sleeping all day because i had a hard time breathing ...But being Pregnant is the greatest feeling in the world ! Especially when your baby starts kicking and moving around !! I think Tying my Tubes was the right chose for me . Every Preganncy is diffrent and just because i did ok this time doesnt mean next time i wont have complications ..
Vanessa/CF/21/mommy of Eli non CF

XAriesStarGazerX
01-01-2007, 04:26 AM
Thanks everyone for responding .<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> You all seem really awesome!
My PFTs right now are in the 80's theyve been going up and down lately .
When i was pregnant i had my good days and bad days ide have days where i felt great! And then their was days i felt like sleeping all day because i had a hard time breathing ...But being Pregnant is the greatest feeling in the world ! Especially when your baby starts kicking and moving around !! I think Tying my Tubes was the right chose for me . Every Preganncy is diffrent and just because i did ok this time doesnt mean next time i wont have complications ..
Vanessa/CF/21/mommy of Eli non CF

wanderlost
01-01-2007, 01:34 PM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Hermit</b></i>

Amy, doesn't that just make sense though?



Obviously a pregnant CF woman is going to be monitored much more closely than a non-pregnant CF woman. So if the doctors think she could have an infection, they're probably more likely to admit her than just send her home on oral antibiotics and Tobi. Also, a CF woman is considered a "high-risk pregnancy"--meaning she will have to go in for more check-ups, and more general monitoring than a non-pregnant one. This just makes sense, and is certainly not necessarily DUE to the pregnancy.



My mother has been an Ob/Gyn for 30 years, and she specializes in high-risk pregnancies. Neither her, nor four out of my five CF doctors have ever said CF and pregnancy don't mix (and this is my mother, who is paranoid about my health). I have had the "tie my tubes?" conversation with them many times and generally the answer is "no!". My PFTs are 60%, I am in the normal weight range for my height and my health is considered stable.



Though it may be more difficult to take care of a child when you have CF, it's more incentive to stay healthy for a long time. You can't just "give up" anymore because you're a mother. I think the happiness and love associated with having kids can only be a positive thing (unless you're maybe a single mom and don't have any kind of financial/emotional support network, in which case I think it would be quite difficult!)



Just my thoughts,

Chris</end quote></div>

my step-mom is an OBGYN too. I have never had a tubes tied conversation with her, but my pregnancies weren;t treated as a big deal at all - but thats also becuase I'm relatively healthy right now....however, having kids has given me a lot more incentive to keep my health up, as Chris stated - but of course i think that incentive would come whether they were my natural born or adopted children.

sorry about the typos - I haven't got the Vest and typing down yet.

wanderlost
01-01-2007, 01:34 PM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Hermit</b></i>

Amy, doesn't that just make sense though?



Obviously a pregnant CF woman is going to be monitored much more closely than a non-pregnant CF woman. So if the doctors think she could have an infection, they're probably more likely to admit her than just send her home on oral antibiotics and Tobi. Also, a CF woman is considered a "high-risk pregnancy"--meaning she will have to go in for more check-ups, and more general monitoring than a non-pregnant one. This just makes sense, and is certainly not necessarily DUE to the pregnancy.



My mother has been an Ob/Gyn for 30 years, and she specializes in high-risk pregnancies. Neither her, nor four out of my five CF doctors have ever said CF and pregnancy don't mix (and this is my mother, who is paranoid about my health). I have had the "tie my tubes?" conversation with them many times and generally the answer is "no!". My PFTs are 60%, I am in the normal weight range for my height and my health is considered stable.



Though it may be more difficult to take care of a child when you have CF, it's more incentive to stay healthy for a long time. You can't just "give up" anymore because you're a mother. I think the happiness and love associated with having kids can only be a positive thing (unless you're maybe a single mom and don't have any kind of financial/emotional support network, in which case I think it would be quite difficult!)



Just my thoughts,

Chris</end quote></div>

my step-mom is an OBGYN too. I have never had a tubes tied conversation with her, but my pregnancies weren;t treated as a big deal at all - but thats also becuase I'm relatively healthy right now....however, having kids has given me a lot more incentive to keep my health up, as Chris stated - but of course i think that incentive would come whether they were my natural born or adopted children.

sorry about the typos - I haven't got the Vest and typing down yet.

wanderlost
01-01-2007, 01:34 PM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Hermit</b></i>

Amy, doesn't that just make sense though?



Obviously a pregnant CF woman is going to be monitored much more closely than a non-pregnant CF woman. So if the doctors think she could have an infection, they're probably more likely to admit her than just send her home on oral antibiotics and Tobi. Also, a CF woman is considered a "high-risk pregnancy"--meaning she will have to go in for more check-ups, and more general monitoring than a non-pregnant one. This just makes sense, and is certainly not necessarily DUE to the pregnancy.



My mother has been an Ob/Gyn for 30 years, and she specializes in high-risk pregnancies. Neither her, nor four out of my five CF doctors have ever said CF and pregnancy don't mix (and this is my mother, who is paranoid about my health). I have had the "tie my tubes?" conversation with them many times and generally the answer is "no!". My PFTs are 60%, I am in the normal weight range for my height and my health is considered stable.



Though it may be more difficult to take care of a child when you have CF, it's more incentive to stay healthy for a long time. You can't just "give up" anymore because you're a mother. I think the happiness and love associated with having kids can only be a positive thing (unless you're maybe a single mom and don't have any kind of financial/emotional support network, in which case I think it would be quite difficult!)



Just my thoughts,

Chris</end quote></div>

my step-mom is an OBGYN too. I have never had a tubes tied conversation with her, but my pregnancies weren;t treated as a big deal at all - but thats also becuase I'm relatively healthy right now....however, having kids has given me a lot more incentive to keep my health up, as Chris stated - but of course i think that incentive would come whether they were my natural born or adopted children.

sorry about the typos - I haven't got the Vest and typing down yet.

EnergyGal
01-01-2007, 02:52 PM
Good For you Vanessa

You are a Very smart young lady who is very pretty too.

Enjoy raising your child.

Risa

EnergyGal
01-01-2007, 02:52 PM
Good For you Vanessa

You are a Very smart young lady who is very pretty too.

Enjoy raising your child.

Risa

EnergyGal
01-01-2007, 02:52 PM
Good For you Vanessa

You are a Very smart young lady who is very pretty too.

Enjoy raising your child.

Risa

Scarlett81
01-01-2007, 02:56 PM
Its very ignorant to make a blanket statement that pregnancy is bad for all cfers and it will likely kill cfers. The bottom line is-some have died shortly after it, some have had children and are living happily in their 30s, 40s and 50s-there are people on this site that can attest to that. That being said-there are also people that have adopted and have gotten so run down from running after a child that they have died shortly too.
The medical evidence shows that for the majority of cases it is not the pregnancy that is the negative impact on the cfer, it is caring for and raising a child. So you may know sally down the street that died shortly after pregnancy, and thats awful, but the majority of medical fact shows that is not the common outcome now-(With a planned, and well monitored pregnancy by someone who goes into pregnancy with a good lung function.) If someone adopts and and their health care isn't monitored well and they let themselves go, they have just as much of a chance of a bad outcome. My doctor said to me 2 years ago she wouldn't let me have a baby or adopt b/c my pfts werent stable enough. Again-for the majority of cases it is not the pregnancy that harms the body-it is the motherhood lifestyle.

With all things-its not for everyone. Nothing is for everyone. If you, the original poster, felt that you needed your tubes tied then you made the right decision. I doubt that the doctor said-'You should maybe have your tubes tied and you said, Ok!!!' Obviously you thought about it felt it was best. That decision was right for you. It is not right for everyone.
And no, doctors should not reccomend that everyone gets their tubes tied and gives the "hard death cold facts" of pregnancy-why????? B/c they have to give FACTS. And FACTS are that women with cf have successful pregnancies all the time. This is not 1985, or even 1995. A doctor has to give ethicaly based advice-not a blind blanket statement. Each women must be judged/evaluated on an individual basis b/c there is NO one size fits all decision for everyone.

So if you feel that this decision was best for you, your body and family, as hard as it was-good for you for making it. I think everyone should be congratulated, not on what their uterus produces, or doesn't produce-but on the fact that they are doing their best and making well informed decisions. And people should not judge others for what their uterus produces-or doesn't produce-and just keep doing their best and give people the benefit of the doubt that they are doing their very best in life.

Scarlett81
01-01-2007, 02:56 PM
Its very ignorant to make a blanket statement that pregnancy is bad for all cfers and it will likely kill cfers. The bottom line is-some have died shortly after it, some have had children and are living happily in their 30s, 40s and 50s-there are people on this site that can attest to that. That being said-there are also people that have adopted and have gotten so run down from running after a child that they have died shortly too.
The medical evidence shows that for the majority of cases it is not the pregnancy that is the negative impact on the cfer, it is caring for and raising a child. So you may know sally down the street that died shortly after pregnancy, and thats awful, but the majority of medical fact shows that is not the common outcome now-(With a planned, and well monitored pregnancy by someone who goes into pregnancy with a good lung function.) If someone adopts and and their health care isn't monitored well and they let themselves go, they have just as much of a chance of a bad outcome. My doctor said to me 2 years ago she wouldn't let me have a baby or adopt b/c my pfts werent stable enough. Again-for the majority of cases it is not the pregnancy that harms the body-it is the motherhood lifestyle.

With all things-its not for everyone. Nothing is for everyone. If you, the original poster, felt that you needed your tubes tied then you made the right decision. I doubt that the doctor said-'You should maybe have your tubes tied and you said, Ok!!!' Obviously you thought about it felt it was best. That decision was right for you. It is not right for everyone.
And no, doctors should not reccomend that everyone gets their tubes tied and gives the "hard death cold facts" of pregnancy-why????? B/c they have to give FACTS. And FACTS are that women with cf have successful pregnancies all the time. This is not 1985, or even 1995. A doctor has to give ethicaly based advice-not a blind blanket statement. Each women must be judged/evaluated on an individual basis b/c there is NO one size fits all decision for everyone.

So if you feel that this decision was best for you, your body and family, as hard as it was-good for you for making it. I think everyone should be congratulated, not on what their uterus produces, or doesn't produce-but on the fact that they are doing their best and making well informed decisions. And people should not judge others for what their uterus produces-or doesn't produce-and just keep doing their best and give people the benefit of the doubt that they are doing their very best in life.

Scarlett81
01-01-2007, 02:56 PM
Its very ignorant to make a blanket statement that pregnancy is bad for all cfers and it will likely kill cfers. The bottom line is-some have died shortly after it, some have had children and are living happily in their 30s, 40s and 50s-there are people on this site that can attest to that. That being said-there are also people that have adopted and have gotten so run down from running after a child that they have died shortly too.
The medical evidence shows that for the majority of cases it is not the pregnancy that is the negative impact on the cfer, it is caring for and raising a child. So you may know sally down the street that died shortly after pregnancy, and thats awful, but the majority of medical fact shows that is not the common outcome now-(With a planned, and well monitored pregnancy by someone who goes into pregnancy with a good lung function.) If someone adopts and and their health care isn't monitored well and they let themselves go, they have just as much of a chance of a bad outcome. My doctor said to me 2 years ago she wouldn't let me have a baby or adopt b/c my pfts werent stable enough. Again-for the majority of cases it is not the pregnancy that harms the body-it is the motherhood lifestyle.

With all things-its not for everyone. Nothing is for everyone. If you, the original poster, felt that you needed your tubes tied then you made the right decision. I doubt that the doctor said-'You should maybe have your tubes tied and you said, Ok!!!' Obviously you thought about it felt it was best. That decision was right for you. It is not right for everyone.
And no, doctors should not reccomend that everyone gets their tubes tied and gives the "hard death cold facts" of pregnancy-why????? B/c they have to give FACTS. And FACTS are that women with cf have successful pregnancies all the time. This is not 1985, or even 1995. A doctor has to give ethicaly based advice-not a blind blanket statement. Each women must be judged/evaluated on an individual basis b/c there is NO one size fits all decision for everyone.

So if you feel that this decision was best for you, your body and family, as hard as it was-good for you for making it. I think everyone should be congratulated, not on what their uterus produces, or doesn't produce-but on the fact that they are doing their best and making well informed decisions. And people should not judge others for what their uterus produces-or doesn't produce-and just keep doing their best and give people the benefit of the doubt that they are doing their very best in life.

2perfectboys
01-01-2007, 05:47 PM
I don't think anyone said that pregnancy was bad for CFers. While it's a personal decision, my stance is that if someone is healthy enough to go through pregnancy and have a great support system, they should by all means have a child. Anyone could die from pregnancy and no one has a guarantee they will live to see their child raised. And like Venessa said it is the greatest feeling having that baby kick around in you and a child gives more of a reason to get up everyday. On the other hand, as I do not have CF, but can say motherhood is at times very exhausting, but then the rewards are far greater. I'm just curious about adoption, since Amy mentioned it, while adoption is a great thing, would it be hard to get them to approve you in the background that has to be done beacause of having a termianal illness., or is this not applicable.

2perfectboys
01-01-2007, 05:47 PM
I don't think anyone said that pregnancy was bad for CFers. While it's a personal decision, my stance is that if someone is healthy enough to go through pregnancy and have a great support system, they should by all means have a child. Anyone could die from pregnancy and no one has a guarantee they will live to see their child raised. And like Venessa said it is the greatest feeling having that baby kick around in you and a child gives more of a reason to get up everyday. On the other hand, as I do not have CF, but can say motherhood is at times very exhausting, but then the rewards are far greater. I'm just curious about adoption, since Amy mentioned it, while adoption is a great thing, would it be hard to get them to approve you in the background that has to be done beacause of having a termianal illness., or is this not applicable.

2perfectboys
01-01-2007, 05:47 PM
I don't think anyone said that pregnancy was bad for CFers. While it's a personal decision, my stance is that if someone is healthy enough to go through pregnancy and have a great support system, they should by all means have a child. Anyone could die from pregnancy and no one has a guarantee they will live to see their child raised. And like Venessa said it is the greatest feeling having that baby kick around in you and a child gives more of a reason to get up everyday. On the other hand, as I do not have CF, but can say motherhood is at times very exhausting, but then the rewards are far greater. I'm just curious about adoption, since Amy mentioned it, while adoption is a great thing, would it be hard to get them to approve you in the background that has to be done beacause of having a termianal illness., or is this not applicable.

EnergyGal
01-01-2007, 06:15 PM
I have known many women with CF who have children. My friend with CF had SIX children. She did not adopt. We all have our own situations that are so unique. We all do what is good for us. I am amazed with all the stories I continue to read.

EnergyGal
01-01-2007, 06:15 PM
I have known many women with CF who have children. My friend with CF had SIX children. She did not adopt. We all have our own situations that are so unique. We all do what is good for us. I am amazed with all the stories I continue to read.

EnergyGal
01-01-2007, 06:15 PM
I have known many women with CF who have children. My friend with CF had SIX children. She did not adopt. We all have our own situations that are so unique. We all do what is good for us. I am amazed with all the stories I continue to read.

XAriesStarGazerX
01-01-2007, 06:33 PM
"If you, the original poster, felt that you needed your tubes tied then you made the right decision. I doubt that the doctor said-'You should maybe have your tubes tied and you said, Ok!!!' Obviously you thought about it felt it was best. That decision was right for you. It is not right for everyone. "


I Just wanted to say that i hope noone took it as though i was trying to say tying your tubes is the best thing for cfers to do .... tying your tubes isnt right for everyone ...I never said it was right for everyone , everyone is entitiled to their own opinion .
My Doctor is a very good Doctor shes just very blunt she didnt tell me Vanessa you need to get your tubes tyed!!
She said to me that based on my pfts and the way ive been doing that having more children wouldnt be the best for me but in her opinion getting my tubes tyed would be a good idea . So Yes it was up to me to make that decision to tie my tubes . But like you said Christian its not right for everyone .

XAriesStarGazerX
01-01-2007, 06:33 PM
"If you, the original poster, felt that you needed your tubes tied then you made the right decision. I doubt that the doctor said-'You should maybe have your tubes tied and you said, Ok!!!' Obviously you thought about it felt it was best. That decision was right for you. It is not right for everyone. "


I Just wanted to say that i hope noone took it as though i was trying to say tying your tubes is the best thing for cfers to do .... tying your tubes isnt right for everyone ...I never said it was right for everyone , everyone is entitiled to their own opinion .
My Doctor is a very good Doctor shes just very blunt she didnt tell me Vanessa you need to get your tubes tyed!!
She said to me that based on my pfts and the way ive been doing that having more children wouldnt be the best for me but in her opinion getting my tubes tyed would be a good idea . So Yes it was up to me to make that decision to tie my tubes . But like you said Christian its not right for everyone .

XAriesStarGazerX
01-01-2007, 06:33 PM
"If you, the original poster, felt that you needed your tubes tied then you made the right decision. I doubt that the doctor said-'You should maybe have your tubes tied and you said, Ok!!!' Obviously you thought about it felt it was best. That decision was right for you. It is not right for everyone. "


I Just wanted to say that i hope noone took it as though i was trying to say tying your tubes is the best thing for cfers to do .... tying your tubes isnt right for everyone ...I never said it was right for everyone , everyone is entitiled to their own opinion .
My Doctor is a very good Doctor shes just very blunt she didnt tell me Vanessa you need to get your tubes tyed!!
She said to me that based on my pfts and the way ive been doing that having more children wouldnt be the best for me but in her opinion getting my tubes tyed would be a good idea . So Yes it was up to me to make that decision to tie my tubes . But like you said Christian its not right for everyone .

Scarlett81
01-01-2007, 08:05 PM
No no Vanessa, I didn't take it at all that you were saying everyone should have tubal! Also-I wasn't questioning your decision. Like I said, you sound like you made an informed decision based on the medical info your doctor gave you, and though I'm sure its hard, you sound confident that you made the right decision. I am happy to hear when people make these decisions and move forward well, b/c these huge life decisions are the hardest to make. To have kids, to not have them, to adopt, to give birth....its hard to come to the right conclusion.

My comments were directed mainly at the viewpoint that <i>some</i> here have that 1.no one with cf should give birth, and 2. that more doctors should tell their patients to not have babies.-b/c I feel that is a wrong judgement to say that. There is alot of negative feeling towards some that make the decision to go for pregnancy. I just wish their was more <i>openminded tolerance </i>for whatever people decide to do with their uteruses, esp if it seems as if the person made an informed well balanced decision. On that note-I'm happy you made yours, your picture is beautiful and so is your son! <img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0">

Scarlett81
01-01-2007, 08:05 PM
No no Vanessa, I didn't take it at all that you were saying everyone should have tubal! Also-I wasn't questioning your decision. Like I said, you sound like you made an informed decision based on the medical info your doctor gave you, and though I'm sure its hard, you sound confident that you made the right decision. I am happy to hear when people make these decisions and move forward well, b/c these huge life decisions are the hardest to make. To have kids, to not have them, to adopt, to give birth....its hard to come to the right conclusion.

My comments were directed mainly at the viewpoint that <i>some</i> here have that 1.no one with cf should give birth, and 2. that more doctors should tell their patients to not have babies.-b/c I feel that is a wrong judgement to say that. There is alot of negative feeling towards some that make the decision to go for pregnancy. I just wish their was more <i>openminded tolerance </i>for whatever people decide to do with their uteruses, esp if it seems as if the person made an informed well balanced decision. On that note-I'm happy you made yours, your picture is beautiful and so is your son! <img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0">

Scarlett81
01-01-2007, 08:05 PM
No no Vanessa, I didn't take it at all that you were saying everyone should have tubal! Also-I wasn't questioning your decision. Like I said, you sound like you made an informed decision based on the medical info your doctor gave you, and though I'm sure its hard, you sound confident that you made the right decision. I am happy to hear when people make these decisions and move forward well, b/c these huge life decisions are the hardest to make. To have kids, to not have them, to adopt, to give birth....its hard to come to the right conclusion.

My comments were directed mainly at the viewpoint that <i>some</i> here have that 1.no one with cf should give birth, and 2. that more doctors should tell their patients to not have babies.-b/c I feel that is a wrong judgement to say that. There is alot of negative feeling towards some that make the decision to go for pregnancy. I just wish their was more <i>openminded tolerance </i>for whatever people decide to do with their uteruses, esp if it seems as if the person made an informed well balanced decision. On that note-I'm happy you made yours, your picture is beautiful and so is your son! <img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0">

XAriesStarGazerX
01-02-2007, 02:41 AM
Thanks <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> I see your expecting your first baby in June , i wish you and your family the best!!

XAriesStarGazerX
01-02-2007, 02:41 AM
Thanks <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> I see your expecting your first baby in June , i wish you and your family the best!!

XAriesStarGazerX
01-02-2007, 02:41 AM
Thanks <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> I see your expecting your first baby in June , i wish you and your family the best!!

NoExcuses
01-02-2007, 02:49 AM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>

1.no one with cf should give birth, and 2. that more doctors should tell their patients to not have babies.-b/c I feel that is a wrong judgement to say that. </end quote></div>

you don't have tolerance for other's opinions, but you expect others to have tolerance for yours?

i find that fascinating....


<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote> <i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i> I just wish their was more <i>openminded tolerance </i></end quote></div>

NoExcuses
01-02-2007, 02:49 AM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>

1.no one with cf should give birth, and 2. that more doctors should tell their patients to not have babies.-b/c I feel that is a wrong judgement to say that. </end quote></div>

you don't have tolerance for other's opinions, but you expect others to have tolerance for yours?

i find that fascinating....


<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote> <i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i> I just wish their was more <i>openminded tolerance </i></end quote></div>

NoExcuses
01-02-2007, 02:49 AM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>

1.no one with cf should give birth, and 2. that more doctors should tell their patients to not have babies.-b/c I feel that is a wrong judgement to say that. </end quote></div>

you don't have tolerance for other's opinions, but you expect others to have tolerance for yours?

i find that fascinating....


<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote> <i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i> I just wish their was more <i>openminded tolerance </i></end quote></div>

Scarlett81
01-02-2007, 02:39 PM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>


I think everyone should be congratulated, not on what their uterus produces, or doesn't produce-but on the fact that they are doing their best and making well informed decisions. And people should not judge others for what their uterus produces-or doesn't produce-and just keep doing their best and give people the benefit of the doubt that they are doing their very best in life.</end quote></div>



Read my first post amy-that was my point. To not judge others-I do not judge you for deciding to not have a baby. But you judge everyone else. And thats sad to me. You miss out on alot of good relationships.

So don't twist what I said. And don't ever say I don't have tolerance for others opinions. I respect everyone's choices. I never slam others for what they do.

Scarlett81
01-02-2007, 02:39 PM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>


I think everyone should be congratulated, not on what their uterus produces, or doesn't produce-but on the fact that they are doing their best and making well informed decisions. And people should not judge others for what their uterus produces-or doesn't produce-and just keep doing their best and give people the benefit of the doubt that they are doing their very best in life.</end quote></div>



Read my first post amy-that was my point. To not judge others-I do not judge you for deciding to not have a baby. But you judge everyone else. And thats sad to me. You miss out on alot of good relationships.

So don't twist what I said. And don't ever say I don't have tolerance for others opinions. I respect everyone's choices. I never slam others for what they do.

Scarlett81
01-02-2007, 02:39 PM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>


I think everyone should be congratulated, not on what their uterus produces, or doesn't produce-but on the fact that they are doing their best and making well informed decisions. And people should not judge others for what their uterus produces-or doesn't produce-and just keep doing their best and give people the benefit of the doubt that they are doing their very best in life.</end quote></div>



Read my first post amy-that was my point. To not judge others-I do not judge you for deciding to not have a baby. But you judge everyone else. And thats sad to me. You miss out on alot of good relationships.

So don't twist what I said. And don't ever say I don't have tolerance for others opinions. I respect everyone's choices. I never slam others for what they do.

NoExcuses
01-02-2007, 02:44 PM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>

I do not judge you for deciding to not have a baby .</end quote></div>


But you do judge me for having the opinions that I do about CF and pregnancy. You aren't open-minded about differing opinions to yours about CF and pregnancy.

Yet you request that others be open minded. Not accepting my opinion on CF and pregnancy is not being open minded.

That, my friend, is the text-book definition of hypocracy.

NoExcuses
01-02-2007, 02:44 PM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>

I do not judge you for deciding to not have a baby .</end quote></div>


But you do judge me for having the opinions that I do about CF and pregnancy. You aren't open-minded about differing opinions to yours about CF and pregnancy.

Yet you request that others be open minded. Not accepting my opinion on CF and pregnancy is not being open minded.

That, my friend, is the text-book definition of hypocracy.

NoExcuses
01-02-2007, 02:44 PM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>

I do not judge you for deciding to not have a baby .</end quote></div>


But you do judge me for having the opinions that I do about CF and pregnancy. You aren't open-minded about differing opinions to yours about CF and pregnancy.

Yet you request that others be open minded. Not accepting my opinion on CF and pregnancy is not being open minded.

That, my friend, is the text-book definition of hypocracy.

LouLou
01-02-2007, 05:54 PM
I am pregnant with my first child whom is due July 13th. No doctor has ever suggested that I get a tubal but they have preached safe sex. My guess is that few cf doctors would recommend this abdominal surgery to someone like myself (in a commited marriage with mild/moderate lung function (FEV1 66%)). The reason for this is because if a woman is in a commited relationship it is a much easier surgery for the man to recover from than the woman and point two is any abdominal surgery is rough on cfers because we must cough to stay well. With 80% lung function maybe you don't cough a lot but for me this would be a huge drawback. I would say tubal is a last resort for cfers and should only be recommended for people that are showing irresponsibility with their disease management and lifestyle. I'm glad you have your beautiful son and hope you consider adoption if your health continues to do well, you have a good support system and continue to have the urge for more children. I will likely never pursue this surgery unless medically necessary but I think that would more likely be a hysterectomy. Take care of yourself!

LouLou
01-02-2007, 05:54 PM
I am pregnant with my first child whom is due July 13th. No doctor has ever suggested that I get a tubal but they have preached safe sex. My guess is that few cf doctors would recommend this abdominal surgery to someone like myself (in a commited marriage with mild/moderate lung function (FEV1 66%)). The reason for this is because if a woman is in a commited relationship it is a much easier surgery for the man to recover from than the woman and point two is any abdominal surgery is rough on cfers because we must cough to stay well. With 80% lung function maybe you don't cough a lot but for me this would be a huge drawback. I would say tubal is a last resort for cfers and should only be recommended for people that are showing irresponsibility with their disease management and lifestyle. I'm glad you have your beautiful son and hope you consider adoption if your health continues to do well, you have a good support system and continue to have the urge for more children. I will likely never pursue this surgery unless medically necessary but I think that would more likely be a hysterectomy. Take care of yourself!

LouLou
01-02-2007, 05:54 PM
I am pregnant with my first child whom is due July 13th. No doctor has ever suggested that I get a tubal but they have preached safe sex. My guess is that few cf doctors would recommend this abdominal surgery to someone like myself (in a commited marriage with mild/moderate lung function (FEV1 66%)). The reason for this is because if a woman is in a commited relationship it is a much easier surgery for the man to recover from than the woman and point two is any abdominal surgery is rough on cfers because we must cough to stay well. With 80% lung function maybe you don't cough a lot but for me this would be a huge drawback. I would say tubal is a last resort for cfers and should only be recommended for people that are showing irresponsibility with their disease management and lifestyle. I'm glad you have your beautiful son and hope you consider adoption if your health continues to do well, you have a good support system and continue to have the urge for more children. I will likely never pursue this surgery unless medically necessary but I think that would more likely be a hysterectomy. Take care of yourself!

tapia
01-02-2007, 06:03 PM
Hi Vanessa,

I am completely in the same situation as you. I have a 4 year old girl. (who will be 5 in March) She is the best thing that ever happened to me. But having her and carrying her were the worst 9 months of my life. Prior to getting pregnant i felt wonderful but i was on no meds which i am sure that is why i was soo sick when i was pregnant because i had not prepared my body before getting pregnant. Well, i was in and out of the hospital. My rib muscles kept popping because of all the coughing i was doing. That was the reason the doctor gave me for the severe pain on my sides of my ribs. The non-stop coughing was the kind that makes you bring up everything in your stomach. I did not have a CF team looking out for me either during that time in my life either. I did not end up with my current CF doctor until after my pregnancy. I think i had the worst pregnancy ever because i was not preprared physically or emotionally. My support system was just my mother. I was married to my daughter's father but he was not in the picture. He lived at work and did not care to much about me to even ask how i was doing.

Overall, my pregnancy was horrible but i thank God for going through it because i have a wonderful little girl that will put a smile on my face every day. But when my daughter turned 1 i had my tubes tied. I felt that i could not go through that again. And i asked the doctor if i took care of myself and took my meds if my next pregnancy would be better and he told me that no one can say for sure how it would be. So I tied my tubes...

Three years later i still wonder if i made the right choice because i do wish i could have one more. But the days when i start getting a flare up with my CF or when my daughter tells me she does not want me going to the doctor because i will stay there, I feel I made the best choice in the world.

Vanessa you have that one that will put the smile on your face and you can dedicate your time to him. (and yourself of course)!!!

I wish you the best and only you know if you made the right choice.

tapia
01-02-2007, 06:03 PM
Hi Vanessa,

I am completely in the same situation as you. I have a 4 year old girl. (who will be 5 in March) She is the best thing that ever happened to me. But having her and carrying her were the worst 9 months of my life. Prior to getting pregnant i felt wonderful but i was on no meds which i am sure that is why i was soo sick when i was pregnant because i had not prepared my body before getting pregnant. Well, i was in and out of the hospital. My rib muscles kept popping because of all the coughing i was doing. That was the reason the doctor gave me for the severe pain on my sides of my ribs. The non-stop coughing was the kind that makes you bring up everything in your stomach. I did not have a CF team looking out for me either during that time in my life either. I did not end up with my current CF doctor until after my pregnancy. I think i had the worst pregnancy ever because i was not preprared physically or emotionally. My support system was just my mother. I was married to my daughter's father but he was not in the picture. He lived at work and did not care to much about me to even ask how i was doing.

Overall, my pregnancy was horrible but i thank God for going through it because i have a wonderful little girl that will put a smile on my face every day. But when my daughter turned 1 i had my tubes tied. I felt that i could not go through that again. And i asked the doctor if i took care of myself and took my meds if my next pregnancy would be better and he told me that no one can say for sure how it would be. So I tied my tubes...

Three years later i still wonder if i made the right choice because i do wish i could have one more. But the days when i start getting a flare up with my CF or when my daughter tells me she does not want me going to the doctor because i will stay there, I feel I made the best choice in the world.

Vanessa you have that one that will put the smile on your face and you can dedicate your time to him. (and yourself of course)!!!

I wish you the best and only you know if you made the right choice.

tapia
01-02-2007, 06:03 PM
Hi Vanessa,

I am completely in the same situation as you. I have a 4 year old girl. (who will be 5 in March) She is the best thing that ever happened to me. But having her and carrying her were the worst 9 months of my life. Prior to getting pregnant i felt wonderful but i was on no meds which i am sure that is why i was soo sick when i was pregnant because i had not prepared my body before getting pregnant. Well, i was in and out of the hospital. My rib muscles kept popping because of all the coughing i was doing. That was the reason the doctor gave me for the severe pain on my sides of my ribs. The non-stop coughing was the kind that makes you bring up everything in your stomach. I did not have a CF team looking out for me either during that time in my life either. I did not end up with my current CF doctor until after my pregnancy. I think i had the worst pregnancy ever because i was not preprared physically or emotionally. My support system was just my mother. I was married to my daughter's father but he was not in the picture. He lived at work and did not care to much about me to even ask how i was doing.

Overall, my pregnancy was horrible but i thank God for going through it because i have a wonderful little girl that will put a smile on my face every day. But when my daughter turned 1 i had my tubes tied. I felt that i could not go through that again. And i asked the doctor if i took care of myself and took my meds if my next pregnancy would be better and he told me that no one can say for sure how it would be. So I tied my tubes...

Three years later i still wonder if i made the right choice because i do wish i could have one more. But the days when i start getting a flare up with my CF or when my daughter tells me she does not want me going to the doctor because i will stay there, I feel I made the best choice in the world.

Vanessa you have that one that will put the smile on your face and you can dedicate your time to him. (and yourself of course)!!!

I wish you the best and only you know if you made the right choice.