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CFHockeyMom
01-09-2007, 01:47 PM
Has anyone here been following the recent (last couple of years or so) the latest negative info on the use of soy? Thyroid problems, Leukemia, early puberty in girls, late puberty in boys, homosexuality (for the record, I think that one is total crap), increased risk of cancer, etc... There is a proposed ban on soy formula in New Zealand and Canada.

My husband sent home an article about this very topic and I was shocked and worried. Specifically because my younger son had a milk allergy as a child so he was put on soy milk. My brother also was allergic to milk and put on soy as an infant. He did experience very late puberty and abnormal fatty breast tissue (that he had removed).

I did a search and found a lot of conflicting info. Any opinions out there?

CFHockeyMom
01-09-2007, 01:47 PM
Has anyone here been following the recent (last couple of years or so) the latest negative info on the use of soy? Thyroid problems, Leukemia, early puberty in girls, late puberty in boys, homosexuality (for the record, I think that one is total crap), increased risk of cancer, etc... There is a proposed ban on soy formula in New Zealand and Canada.

My husband sent home an article about this very topic and I was shocked and worried. Specifically because my younger son had a milk allergy as a child so he was put on soy milk. My brother also was allergic to milk and put on soy as an infant. He did experience very late puberty and abnormal fatty breast tissue (that he had removed).

I did a search and found a lot of conflicting info. Any opinions out there?

CFHockeyMom
01-09-2007, 01:47 PM
Has anyone here been following the recent (last couple of years or so) the latest negative info on the use of soy? Thyroid problems, Leukemia, early puberty in girls, late puberty in boys, homosexuality (for the record, I think that one is total crap), increased risk of cancer, etc... There is a proposed ban on soy formula in New Zealand and Canada.

My husband sent home an article about this very topic and I was shocked and worried. Specifically because my younger son had a milk allergy as a child so he was put on soy milk. My brother also was allergic to milk and put on soy as an infant. He did experience very late puberty and abnormal fatty breast tissue (that he had removed).

I did a search and found a lot of conflicting info. Any opinions out there?

djotroy17
01-09-2007, 02:27 PM
I think it tastes nasty lol.

djotroy17
01-09-2007, 02:27 PM
I think it tastes nasty lol.

djotroy17
01-09-2007, 02:27 PM
I think it tastes nasty lol.

EnergyGal
01-09-2007, 04:03 PM
I eat soy products in moderation. If the label states Non GMO then I buy it. If it does not state that, I leave it on the shelf.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.seedsofdeception.com/Public/BuyingNon-GMO/index.cfm
">http://www.seedsofdeception.co...yingNon-GMO/index.cfm
</a>
Do a search on Non GMO vs. Gmo

GMO stands for Genetically Modified foods

EnergyGal
01-09-2007, 04:03 PM
I eat soy products in moderation. If the label states Non GMO then I buy it. If it does not state that, I leave it on the shelf.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.seedsofdeception.com/Public/BuyingNon-GMO/index.cfm
">http://www.seedsofdeception.co...yingNon-GMO/index.cfm
</a>
Do a search on Non GMO vs. Gmo

GMO stands for Genetically Modified foods

EnergyGal
01-09-2007, 04:03 PM
I eat soy products in moderation. If the label states Non GMO then I buy it. If it does not state that, I leave it on the shelf.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.seedsofdeception.com/Public/BuyingNon-GMO/index.cfm
">http://www.seedsofdeception.co...yingNon-GMO/index.cfm
</a>
Do a search on Non GMO vs. Gmo

GMO stands for Genetically Modified foods

dbtoo
01-09-2007, 06:20 PM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>djotroy17</b></i>

I think it tastes nasty lol.</end quote></div>

My grandson has it in his bottles instead of formula. When he burps, he about knocks me over with his soyboy breath!

dbtoo
01-09-2007, 06:20 PM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>djotroy17</b></i>

I think it tastes nasty lol.</end quote></div>

My grandson has it in his bottles instead of formula. When he burps, he about knocks me over with his soyboy breath!

dbtoo
01-09-2007, 06:20 PM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>djotroy17</b></i>

I think it tastes nasty lol.</end quote></div>

My grandson has it in his bottles instead of formula. When he burps, he about knocks me over with his soyboy breath!

JRPandTJP
01-14-2007, 03:14 PM
Our son is dairy sensative and he can only tolerate small amounts of soy here and there. I don't think it was intended to eat in large quantities and perhaps this is where some of the issues come in. I also agree with the GMO issue Risa brings up.

Rice milk can be a good alternative drink as well as oat and almond. These are not meant for formula but can be used in cooking and smoothies. We sometimes add a bit of MCT oil to it to add alittle calories. He really just drinks about 8oz-16 oz a day with the rest of his liquids from water.

JRPandTJP
01-14-2007, 03:14 PM
Our son is dairy sensative and he can only tolerate small amounts of soy here and there. I don't think it was intended to eat in large quantities and perhaps this is where some of the issues come in. I also agree with the GMO issue Risa brings up.

Rice milk can be a good alternative drink as well as oat and almond. These are not meant for formula but can be used in cooking and smoothies. We sometimes add a bit of MCT oil to it to add alittle calories. He really just drinks about 8oz-16 oz a day with the rest of his liquids from water.

JRPandTJP
01-14-2007, 03:14 PM
Our son is dairy sensative and he can only tolerate small amounts of soy here and there. I don't think it was intended to eat in large quantities and perhaps this is where some of the issues come in. I also agree with the GMO issue Risa brings up.

Rice milk can be a good alternative drink as well as oat and almond. These are not meant for formula but can be used in cooking and smoothies. We sometimes add a bit of MCT oil to it to add alittle calories. He really just drinks about 8oz-16 oz a day with the rest of his liquids from water.

markgw
02-15-2007, 08:08 AM
I have been looking around this forum trying to increase my understanding of CF, and have come across this thread. i am highly suspicious of soy milk. I have mentioned elsewhere in this forum My son had contracted Kawasaki's disease. The onset of the disease occurred soon after we substituted cow's milk with soy. The specialist said until relatively recently, the disease was virtually unknown outside Asia, and I suspect there is a correlation between consumption of Soy and the occurrence of this disease in a population. I am also of the understanding (but have not verified) Soy is rich in, or stimulates the production of, female hormones. perhaps the 'homosexuality ' claim isn't that ridiculous. This isn't 'Hate Speech' I just do believe homosexuality is a tragedy. Sorry, I know we're not supposed to think it, let alone say it.

markgw
02-15-2007, 08:08 AM
I have been looking around this forum trying to increase my understanding of CF, and have come across this thread. i am highly suspicious of soy milk. I have mentioned elsewhere in this forum My son had contracted Kawasaki's disease. The onset of the disease occurred soon after we substituted cow's milk with soy. The specialist said until relatively recently, the disease was virtually unknown outside Asia, and I suspect there is a correlation between consumption of Soy and the occurrence of this disease in a population. I am also of the understanding (but have not verified) Soy is rich in, or stimulates the production of, female hormones. perhaps the 'homosexuality ' claim isn't that ridiculous. This isn't 'Hate Speech' I just do believe homosexuality is a tragedy. Sorry, I know we're not supposed to think it, let alone say it.

markgw
02-15-2007, 08:08 AM
I have been looking around this forum trying to increase my understanding of CF, and have come across this thread. i am highly suspicious of soy milk. I have mentioned elsewhere in this forum My son had contracted Kawasaki's disease. The onset of the disease occurred soon after we substituted cow's milk with soy. The specialist said until relatively recently, the disease was virtually unknown outside Asia, and I suspect there is a correlation between consumption of Soy and the occurrence of this disease in a population. I am also of the understanding (but have not verified) Soy is rich in, or stimulates the production of, female hormones. perhaps the 'homosexuality ' claim isn't that ridiculous. This isn't 'Hate Speech' I just do believe homosexuality is a tragedy. Sorry, I know we're not supposed to think it, let alone say it.

JazzysMom
02-15-2007, 09:34 AM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>markgw</b></i>
I am also of the understanding (but have not verified) Soy is rich in, or stimulates the production of, female hormones. perhaps the 'homosexuality ' claim isn't that ridiculous. This isn't 'Hate Speech' I just do believe homosexuality is a tragedy. Sorry, I know we're not supposed to think it, let alone say it.</end quote></div>


I am not sure the purpose of even bringing this up on a NUTRITONAL thread not to mention that I know many gay people who have never tried SOY let alone make it part of their regular diet. Lets return to the ?? at hand.

I was not aware of alot of potential for soy problems. I thought this was the least of any evils when dealing with allergies etc. I am far from an expert on it tho. Thanks for letting me post tho LOL!

JazzysMom
02-15-2007, 09:34 AM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>markgw</b></i>
I am also of the understanding (but have not verified) Soy is rich in, or stimulates the production of, female hormones. perhaps the 'homosexuality ' claim isn't that ridiculous. This isn't 'Hate Speech' I just do believe homosexuality is a tragedy. Sorry, I know we're not supposed to think it, let alone say it.</end quote></div>


I am not sure the purpose of even bringing this up on a NUTRITONAL thread not to mention that I know many gay people who have never tried SOY let alone make it part of their regular diet. Lets return to the ?? at hand.

I was not aware of alot of potential for soy problems. I thought this was the least of any evils when dealing with allergies etc. I am far from an expert on it tho. Thanks for letting me post tho LOL!

JazzysMom
02-15-2007, 09:34 AM
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>markgw</b></i>
I am also of the understanding (but have not verified) Soy is rich in, or stimulates the production of, female hormones. perhaps the 'homosexuality ' claim isn't that ridiculous. This isn't 'Hate Speech' I just do believe homosexuality is a tragedy. Sorry, I know we're not supposed to think it, let alone say it.</end quote></div>


I am not sure the purpose of even bringing this up on a NUTRITONAL thread not to mention that I know many gay people who have never tried SOY let alone make it part of their regular diet. Lets return to the ?? at hand.

I was not aware of alot of potential for soy problems. I thought this was the least of any evils when dealing with allergies etc. I am far from an expert on it tho. Thanks for letting me post tho LOL!

markgw
02-15-2007, 10:15 PM
your right , the comment was irrelevant in a forum such as this. I commented in response to a statement in the opening post. I cant claim to have gay friends ( I may have, but I don't know or care wether they are or not) . My feelings aren't personal, i just feel homosexuality excludes people from life's deepest experiences. i do, however have strong feelings about soy as i believe it was a factor in the disease that threatened my Son's life. That stated, this quote may be of interest;
"In 1992, the Swiss health service estimated that 100 grams of soy protein provided the estrogenic equivalent of the Pill."
- Cassidy, A. et al., "Biological Effects of a Diet of Soy Protein Rich in Isoflavones on the Menstrual Cycle of Premenopausal Women", American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (1994) 60:333-340.

What I have discovered that could be of real interest to CFer's is;
"Soybeans also contain potent enzyme-inhibitors. These inhibitors block uptake of trypsin and other enzymes"
I am no biochemist, but I have noted that there seems to be some feeling that the work of enzyme's is of increasing interest in the care of CF.

markgw
02-15-2007, 10:15 PM
your right , the comment was irrelevant in a forum such as this. I commented in response to a statement in the opening post. I cant claim to have gay friends ( I may have, but I don't know or care wether they are or not) . My feelings aren't personal, i just feel homosexuality excludes people from life's deepest experiences. i do, however have strong feelings about soy as i believe it was a factor in the disease that threatened my Son's life. That stated, this quote may be of interest;
"In 1992, the Swiss health service estimated that 100 grams of soy protein provided the estrogenic equivalent of the Pill."
- Cassidy, A. et al., "Biological Effects of a Diet of Soy Protein Rich in Isoflavones on the Menstrual Cycle of Premenopausal Women", American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (1994) 60:333-340.

What I have discovered that could be of real interest to CFer's is;
"Soybeans also contain potent enzyme-inhibitors. These inhibitors block uptake of trypsin and other enzymes"
I am no biochemist, but I have noted that there seems to be some feeling that the work of enzyme's is of increasing interest in the care of CF.

markgw
02-15-2007, 10:15 PM
your right , the comment was irrelevant in a forum such as this. I commented in response to a statement in the opening post. I cant claim to have gay friends ( I may have, but I don't know or care wether they are or not) . My feelings aren't personal, i just feel homosexuality excludes people from life's deepest experiences. i do, however have strong feelings about soy as i believe it was a factor in the disease that threatened my Son's life. That stated, this quote may be of interest;
"In 1992, the Swiss health service estimated that 100 grams of soy protein provided the estrogenic equivalent of the Pill."
- Cassidy, A. et al., "Biological Effects of a Diet of Soy Protein Rich in Isoflavones on the Menstrual Cycle of Premenopausal Women", American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (1994) 60:333-340.

What I have discovered that could be of real interest to CFer's is;
"Soybeans also contain potent enzyme-inhibitors. These inhibitors block uptake of trypsin and other enzymes"
I am no biochemist, but I have noted that there seems to be some feeling that the work of enzyme's is of increasing interest in the care of CF.