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Ben
01-13-2006, 02:08 PM
Hello all! I was hoping someone could give me some (or any) advice. I race motorcycles and consequently sweat out a lot of salt (dark blue jersey is more white than blue by the end of the day). <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> My races are usually around 5 hours long...and because I lose so much salt I usually spend about 3 of the hours with horrible cramps (sometimes it is nice to have control of a motorcycle). I have tried salt tablets...and accompanied with the excercise they make me nautious. Any runners or anyone else experience the same problem?

miesl
01-13-2006, 07:14 PM
Instead of the tablets, have you tried drinking a sports drink (Gatorade or Powerade) during your race (since you are probably dehydrated as well)?

65rosessamurai
01-16-2006, 12:52 AM
Hey Ben!
I remember you mentioning about motorcycle racing from a previous topic.
I know what you mean about losing so much salt after a hard work-out.
I had always kept salt with me, anytime of the day. I found mixing salt with barley tea helped with the intake balance between the salt and liquids (gotta balance the liquids with it, or you'll end up thirsty!)
My sister (a physician assistant) recommended taking Quinine tablets for my cramps, maybe that would be worth trying out for you, too?
And, miesl's suggestion is good, too. Though salt is lost the most, other minerals, etc., are being depleted as well. In fact, probably eating banana's will help with the cramping, which is an indication that potasium chloride is insufficient. (though the quinine won't necessarily hurt)

Hope that helps.

Ben
01-16-2006, 06:40 AM
Thanks! I do drink tons of Gatorade and Propel...I have tried some other brands too that they sell at REI for hikers and stuff. I usually start loading up on fluids a day or two before a race. I am so used to the cramps now that they are more like an incovience...it is when I get the heat strokes that I start feeling it. One thing I have found that works ok is Advil...from what I understand it thins your blood and hence reduces cramping..helps a little, but by no means elminates them. I get cramps on most days I race...cool or hot...but when it is super hot everyone else gets them too...so then I am playing on a level playing field! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">
Have a good day everyone! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

Dustin82
01-17-2006, 07:24 PM
I have always heard that water is better for u then sports drinks I think they have alot of sugar in them I have a buddy that races dirt track stock cars and he drinks water like crazy and he thinks that is better then sports drinks Dustin

heavyballin84
01-24-2006, 10:36 PM
Hello everyone, I am new to this. Losing salt is all too a familiar topic for me. I had a hard time balancing my kidney function numbers and my salt level. I found out that drinking too much water will deplete your salt quicker than anything imaginable. Gatorade is very important on race day, drink a ton! However I found that the best way to keep my salt level up was by drinking soda!!! I couldn't believe it, but it worked for me. And one other thing I can suggest is a medicine called Florinef, which is a medication used for a number of things but for your situation, it would help keep your salt level at a consistent level. But be careful it can lower your potassium quickly. Good luck with all the races.

heavyballin84
01-24-2006, 10:36 PM
Hello everyone, I am new to this. Losing salt is all too a familiar topic for me. I had a hard time balancing my kidney function numbers and my salt level. I found out that drinking too much water will deplete your salt quicker than anything imaginable. Gatorade is very important on race day, drink a ton! However I found that the best way to keep my salt level up was by drinking soda!!! I couldn't believe it, but it worked for me. And one other thing I can suggest is a medicine called Florinef, which is a medication used for a number of things but for your situation, it would help keep your salt level at a consistent level. But be careful it can lower your potassium quickly. Good luck with all the races.

julie
01-25-2006, 01:56 AM
In a situation like this, water would definately benefit a non cfer who does not have a sodium chloride problem. If the problem is loosing salt and you are a CFer, you still want to drink water but you want to replenish the lost electrolytes which would be done with gatorade, powerade.... Sugar isn't an issue unless you are also a diabetic and then there are other alternatives.

julie
01-25-2006, 01:56 AM
In a situation like this, water would definately benefit a non cfer who does not have a sodium chloride problem. If the problem is loosing salt and you are a CFer, you still want to drink water but you want to replenish the lost electrolytes which would be done with gatorade, powerade.... Sugar isn't an issue unless you are also a diabetic and then there are other alternatives.

imondeck
01-26-2006, 02:21 PM
When my son races (especially in the summertime) we pump him up with gatorade days/weeks ahead of time - you can't just drink the gatorade on race day - juice up before hand. We also stock up on pedialyte popsicles. They don't taste very good, but it does help.

imondeck
01-26-2006, 02:21 PM
When my son races (especially in the summertime) we pump him up with gatorade days/weeks ahead of time - you can't just drink the gatorade on race day - juice up before hand. We also stock up on pedialyte popsicles. They don't taste very good, but it does help.

anonymous
01-26-2006, 03:43 PM
Hi Ben

I bet you are losing potassium magnesium and calcium when you are working out. Magnesium with calcium should take away or reduce your cramps. I would seriously look into taking them but of course ask your doctors.
Risa

anonymous
01-26-2006, 03:43 PM
Hi Ben

I bet you are losing potassium magnesium and calcium when you are working out. Magnesium with calcium should take away or reduce your cramps. I would seriously look into taking them but of course ask your doctors.
Risa

angel4us
02-01-2006, 10:47 PM
Hi What kind of motorcycle racing ? sounds like enduros or cross country??? we are here in district 17. I just bought my nephew cody a kx-65 !!! hes starting to rip.he has cf . Any way I have been hearing not so good things about the sport drinks , better off with good ol h2o and salt or quinine combo.

angel4us
02-01-2006, 10:47 PM
Hi What kind of motorcycle racing ? sounds like enduros or cross country??? we are here in district 17. I just bought my nephew cody a kx-65 !!! hes starting to rip.he has cf . Any way I have been hearing not so good things about the sport drinks , better off with good ol h2o and salt or quinine combo.

Ben
02-02-2006, 11:22 AM
Hi angel4us!
I race in a sport called Trials. We go through obstacle courses in the woods...pretty much going over large rocks, ledges, steeps hills, etc.
I have tried water..gatorade..propel..various other sports drinks. I usually start drinking a few days before events. For some reason I just can't stop my cramps from coming on. It certainly won't stop me from riding though! Oh and I ride in District 23...I am the Vice President of the MN Trials club here so I am "lucky" enough to go to all the D23 fights..I mean meetings! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

Ben
02-02-2006, 11:22 AM
Hi angel4us!
I race in a sport called Trials. We go through obstacle courses in the woods...pretty much going over large rocks, ledges, steeps hills, etc.
I have tried water..gatorade..propel..various other sports drinks. I usually start drinking a few days before events. For some reason I just can't stop my cramps from coming on. It certainly won't stop me from riding though! Oh and I ride in District 23...I am the Vice President of the MN Trials club here so I am "lucky" enough to go to all the D23 fights..I mean meetings! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

Ben
02-02-2006, 11:24 AM
Oh and thanks to everyone for the suggestions! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> I have noticed that since I have started taking Calcium supplements the cramps aren't quite as bad..maybe I should add potasium to the mix too!
Thanks again!

Ben
02-02-2006, 11:24 AM
Oh and thanks to everyone for the suggestions! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> I have noticed that since I have started taking Calcium supplements the cramps aren't quite as bad..maybe I should add potasium to the mix too!
Thanks again!

ShadowyEmbrace
02-06-2006, 06:42 AM
I drink two bottles of pedalyte (oral electrolyte solution) a day it works wonders, not just with loss of salt but with keeping sinuses clear and it helps you breath better.

ShadowyEmbrace
02-06-2006, 06:42 AM
I drink two bottles of pedalyte (oral electrolyte solution) a day it works wonders, not just with loss of salt but with keeping sinuses clear and it helps you breath better.

Brad
02-12-2006, 03:10 AM
Ben

The salt tabs work, but you have to remember to brink 8 ozs of water with each
tab, this way , you won't get a upset stomach, I did the same thing I just took 2 with a
swallow of water, not good,,,

You need the water anyway, with Cf You can never have enough, seems that way to me.

Brad
02-12-2006, 03:10 AM
Ben

The salt tabs work, but you have to remember to brink 8 ozs of water with each
tab, this way , you won't get a upset stomach, I did the same thing I just took 2 with a
swallow of water, not good,,,

You need the water anyway, with Cf You can never have enough, seems that way to me.

CowTown
02-13-2006, 04:49 PM
Hi Ben,

I actually have a dirt bike and like to cruise around at 35 mph, but when I started out riding, my husband was taking me for long rides and on very tough terrain. So while I was learning and doing crazy things I would sweat out all kinds of salt too and about 2 hours into the rides I would start fading and not doing the harder stuff. The trick I've used every since when I excersise in the hot sun is Gatorade and PEANUTS! I guess it's the extra salt, and maybe you need even more like with those salt pills, but this was a little trick that works for me. I never forget to bring my peanuts now.

CowTown
02-13-2006, 04:49 PM
Hi Ben,

I actually have a dirt bike and like to cruise around at 35 mph, but when I started out riding, my husband was taking me for long rides and on very tough terrain. So while I was learning and doing crazy things I would sweat out all kinds of salt too and about 2 hours into the rides I would start fading and not doing the harder stuff. The trick I've used every since when I excersise in the hot sun is Gatorade and PEANUTS! I guess it's the extra salt, and maybe you need even more like with those salt pills, but this was a little trick that works for me. I never forget to bring my peanuts now.

anonymous
04-23-2006, 09:49 PM
Hi All,
I'm so glad I found this thread. I am a cyclist and I seem to be having problems with my hydration. I too, lose a lot of salt when exericising. So, I do drink gatorade when riding. However, yesterday I rode a 26 mile bike ride. I did not drink enough and yet, when I stop riding, I "pee and pee and pee". I then became dehydrated and had a severe headache. This is not the first time this has happened to me. You would think I was drinking too much from how much I have to "pee" afterwards. My husband thinks I need even more salt to help me retain the water that I do drink.

I'm going to try some suggestions I've read here: drink Gatorade for several days ahead of time and peanuts. Any other ideas. Do you think that is the problem, still not enough salt? Thanks. I hope my language did not offend.

treehugger
05-11-2006, 12:54 AM
I have the exact same problem. I am a cyclist and have raced on and off for years. The cf is slowing me down now but I keep trying. After hot and long bike rides I am salt depleted and exhausted. So now I use a gel with balanced electolytes and gatorade with a salt tablet in the bottle and that helps. The peanuts work for me too plus give some sustained energy, if you can stomach them. I also need to drink lots throughout the day and that seems to help too. Lisa

anonymous
09-18-2006, 07:21 PM
Hi Guys

I'm a CF Specialist dietitan working in Ireland and have a keen interest in sports nutrition too. Our weather here is never too hot but we did have a few days in July that were hot. I advise our adults to include plenty of isotonic sports drinks and you can make homemade drinks with 500mls fruit juice, 500mls water and a pinch of salt. Also add heaps to foods. Many people go to southern europe for summer vacation and they prefer to pack 'diaoralyte' sachets or salt tablets in their suitcases. Not everyone likes these. I'm hoping to prepare an information leaflet on salt and fluid replacement in exercise and in hot weather. Itss good to hear your comments and I wish you all well in your sporting pursuits!

Dee

anonymous
10-02-2006, 12:53 AM
Hi Dee,

It's good to hear from a dietician. If you prepare that leaflet on salt and fluid replacement in exercise and in hot weather, be sure to let us know! I live in Kansas in the USA and it was very, very hot here this summer. 13 days over 100 and many in the 90s. On short rides, I use the new Performance Gatorade which has a higher salt content than the regular gatorade. However, on my last ride, I resorted to using salt capsules and they seemed to help an awful lot. I used Succeed salt capsules and I only took 1 per hour. I'd love to learn more about my unique and weird nutrition/electrolyte requirements. I especially loved the young sales clerk at a local nutrition store saying, "we don't recommend salt capsules, they're not a good idea". I didn't even bother trying to explain my situation and went elsewhere. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

anonymous
10-02-2006, 12:53 AM
Hi Dee,

It's good to hear from a dietician. If you prepare that leaflet on salt and fluid replacement in exercise and in hot weather, be sure to let us know! I live in Kansas in the USA and it was very, very hot here this summer. 13 days over 100 and many in the 90s. On short rides, I use the new Performance Gatorade which has a higher salt content than the regular gatorade. However, on my last ride, I resorted to using salt capsules and they seemed to help an awful lot. I used Succeed salt capsules and I only took 1 per hour. I'd love to learn more about my unique and weird nutrition/electrolyte requirements. I especially loved the young sales clerk at a local nutrition store saying, "we don't recommend salt capsules, they're not a good idea". I didn't even bother trying to explain my situation and went elsewhere. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

anonymous
10-02-2006, 12:53 AM
Hi Dee,

It's good to hear from a dietician. If you prepare that leaflet on salt and fluid replacement in exercise and in hot weather, be sure to let us know! I live in Kansas in the USA and it was very, very hot here this summer. 13 days over 100 and many in the 90s. On short rides, I use the new Performance Gatorade which has a higher salt content than the regular gatorade. However, on my last ride, I resorted to using salt capsules and they seemed to help an awful lot. I used Succeed salt capsules and I only took 1 per hour. I'd love to learn more about my unique and weird nutrition/electrolyte requirements. I especially loved the young sales clerk at a local nutrition store saying, "we don't recommend salt capsules, they're not a good idea". I didn't even bother trying to explain my situation and went elsewhere. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

jdubbs
04-23-2007, 04:14 AM
Hi all -

I've had similar problems as posted. Salt pills & gatorade is the best solution I've come up with so far. (Although, like Ben, salt pills make me feel a little ill.) Unfortunately, the best way to figure this out is experimenting on your own. I would think that salt needs would vary a great deal from person to person with cf. It's very difficult to drink too much tho...

One interesting note... I was reading up on this a few years ago and discovered somethign unexpected. Apparently, because we lose so much salt, we actually feel LESS thirsty that we ought to. This theory had something to do with how our brain estimates our need for water. Our brain recognizes a higher ratio of salts to water in the blood stream as "needs water", but since our sweat consists of a lot of sweat, this ratio in our bloodstream doesn't change as fast as for a non-cfer. Basically our brains are confused... That was a pretty poor explanation, I apologize, but it's interesting.

Best regards,

James

jdubbs
04-23-2007, 04:14 AM
Hi all -

I've had similar problems as posted. Salt pills & gatorade is the best solution I've come up with so far. (Although, like Ben, salt pills make me feel a little ill.) Unfortunately, the best way to figure this out is experimenting on your own. I would think that salt needs would vary a great deal from person to person with cf. It's very difficult to drink too much tho...

One interesting note... I was reading up on this a few years ago and discovered somethign unexpected. Apparently, because we lose so much salt, we actually feel LESS thirsty that we ought to. This theory had something to do with how our brain estimates our need for water. Our brain recognizes a higher ratio of salts to water in the blood stream as "needs water", but since our sweat consists of a lot of sweat, this ratio in our bloodstream doesn't change as fast as for a non-cfer. Basically our brains are confused... That was a pretty poor explanation, I apologize, but it's interesting.

Best regards,

James

jdubbs
04-23-2007, 04:14 AM
Hi all -

I've had similar problems as posted. Salt pills & gatorade is the best solution I've come up with so far. (Although, like Ben, salt pills make me feel a little ill.) Unfortunately, the best way to figure this out is experimenting on your own. I would think that salt needs would vary a great deal from person to person with cf. It's very difficult to drink too much tho...

One interesting note... I was reading up on this a few years ago and discovered somethign unexpected. Apparently, because we lose so much salt, we actually feel LESS thirsty that we ought to. This theory had something to do with how our brain estimates our need for water. Our brain recognizes a higher ratio of salts to water in the blood stream as "needs water", but since our sweat consists of a lot of sweat, this ratio in our bloodstream doesn't change as fast as for a non-cfer. Basically our brains are confused... That was a pretty poor explanation, I apologize, but it's interesting.

Best regards,

James

jdubbs
04-23-2007, 04:14 AM
Hi all -

I've had similar problems as posted. Salt pills & gatorade is the best solution I've come up with so far. (Although, like Ben, salt pills make me feel a little ill.) Unfortunately, the best way to figure this out is experimenting on your own. I would think that salt needs would vary a great deal from person to person with cf. It's very difficult to drink too much tho...

One interesting note... I was reading up on this a few years ago and discovered somethign unexpected. Apparently, because we lose so much salt, we actually feel LESS thirsty that we ought to. This theory had something to do with how our brain estimates our need for water. Our brain recognizes a higher ratio of salts to water in the blood stream as "needs water", but since our sweat consists of a lot of sweat, this ratio in our bloodstream doesn't change as fast as for a non-cfer. Basically our brains are confused... That was a pretty poor explanation, I apologize, but it's interesting.

Best regards,

James

jdubbs
04-23-2007, 04:14 AM
Hi all -

I've had similar problems as posted. Salt pills & gatorade is the best solution I've come up with so far. (Although, like Ben, salt pills make me feel a little ill.) Unfortunately, the best way to figure this out is experimenting on your own. I would think that salt needs would vary a great deal from person to person with cf. It's very difficult to drink too much tho...

One interesting note... I was reading up on this a few years ago and discovered somethign unexpected. Apparently, because we lose so much salt, we actually feel LESS thirsty that we ought to. This theory had something to do with how our brain estimates our need for water. Our brain recognizes a higher ratio of salts to water in the blood stream as "needs water", but since our sweat consists of a lot of sweat, this ratio in our bloodstream doesn't change as fast as for a non-cfer. Basically our brains are confused... That was a pretty poor explanation, I apologize, but it's interesting.

Best regards,

James

jdubbs
04-23-2007, 04:14 AM
Hi all -

I've had similar problems as posted. Salt pills & gatorade is the best solution I've come up with so far. (Although, like Ben, salt pills make me feel a little ill.) Unfortunately, the best way to figure this out is experimenting on your own. I would think that salt needs would vary a great deal from person to person with cf. It's very difficult to drink too much tho...

One interesting note... I was reading up on this a few years ago and discovered somethign unexpected. Apparently, because we lose so much salt, we actually feel LESS thirsty that we ought to. This theory had something to do with how our brain estimates our need for water. Our brain recognizes a higher ratio of salts to water in the blood stream as "needs water", but since our sweat consists of a lot of sweat, this ratio in our bloodstream doesn't change as fast as for a non-cfer. Basically our brains are confused... That was a pretty poor explanation, I apologize, but it's interesting.

Best regards,

James

jdubbs
04-23-2007, 04:16 AM
oops.. "sweat consists of a lot of SALT not more "sweat"... although it consists of that too.

jdubbs
04-23-2007, 04:16 AM
oops.. "sweat consists of a lot of SALT not more "sweat"... although it consists of that too.

jdubbs
04-23-2007, 04:16 AM
oops.. "sweat consists of a lot of SALT not more "sweat"... although it consists of that too.

jdubbs
04-23-2007, 04:17 AM
SALT not SWEAT I mean...

jdubbs
04-23-2007, 04:17 AM
SALT not SWEAT I mean...

jdubbs
04-23-2007, 04:17 AM
SALT not SWEAT I mean...

jdubbs
04-23-2007, 07:32 PM
I meant our sweat consists of a lot of "salt" not "sweat". oops

jdubbs
04-23-2007, 07:32 PM
I meant our sweat consists of a lot of "salt" not "sweat". oops

jdubbs
04-23-2007, 07:32 PM
I meant our sweat consists of a lot of "salt" not "sweat". oops

jdubbs
04-23-2007, 07:33 PM
oops... now i jsut realized my posts were actually being posted... rough day...

jdubbs
04-23-2007, 07:33 PM
oops... now i jsut realized my posts were actually being posted... rough day...

jdubbs
04-23-2007, 07:33 PM
oops... now i jsut realized my posts were actually being posted... rough day...

sarashusbandcf
07-13-2007, 10:52 PM
i hope u like peanuts buy a couple of cans

sarashusbandcf
07-13-2007, 10:52 PM
i hope u like peanuts buy a couple of cans

sarashusbandcf
07-13-2007, 10:52 PM
i hope u like peanuts buy a couple of cans

sarashusbandcf
07-13-2007, 10:52 PM
i hope u like peanuts buy a couple of cans

sarashusbandcf
07-13-2007, 10:52 PM
i hope u like peanuts buy a couple of cans

sarashusbandcf
07-13-2007, 10:52 PM
i hope u like peanuts buy a couple of cans

deftones79
07-14-2007, 11:44 AM
I live in Australia. but the best thing that has worked for me is gastrolyte.

deftones79
07-14-2007, 11:44 AM
I live in Australia. but the best thing that has worked for me is gastrolyte.

deftones79
07-14-2007, 11:44 AM
I live in Australia. but the best thing that has worked for me is gastrolyte.

deftones79
07-14-2007, 11:44 AM
I live in Australia. but the best thing that has worked for me is gastrolyte.

deftones79
07-14-2007, 11:44 AM
I live in Australia. but the best thing that has worked for me is gastrolyte.

deftones79
07-14-2007, 11:44 AM
I live in Australia. but the best thing that has worked for me is gastrolyte.